AW: [ RadSafe ] Doyle and Ryan Gulf war reproductive health paper

[Franz Schönhofer]

Syd,

My respect for you, because you obviously look "over the (US-) fence", which
is - sorry to say - unusual among US citizens. 

Yes, you are absolutely right. I can only talk about Europe, but here
"liberal" is a very positive expression, unless it is used for "neo-liberal
politics or economy", which tends to maximise profits of large companies at
the cost of the "average people".

"Liberal" means that one is open minded, open for new ideas, against old
dogmas, that one challenges tradition for their further applicability. We
have liberal catholics, liberal protestants, liberal conservatives, liberal
socialdemocrats and we have liberals, who cannot be attributed to any
movement. Probably you know that there exist "Liberal Parties", the best
example is Great Britain, where there exists a "small" Liberal Party and a
big Labour Party, which have nothing to do with each other. 

For the connection with radioactivity: Liberal people in Europe usually
support nuclear energy.....

Regarding James Salsman I do not read his postings since a long time - it is
annoying and time consuming to follow his Catch-22 arguments. 

Best regards (or in my native German: Beste Gruesse)!

Franz 

Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
MinRat i.R.
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Wien/Vienna
AUSTRIA


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] Im Auftrag
von Syd H. Levine
Gesendet: Samstag, 03. Februar 2007 20:08
An: Syd H. Levine; James Salsman; radsafelist
Betreff: Re: [ RadSafe ] Doyle and Ryan Gulf war reproductive health paper

So as not to offend anyone, let me qualify calling Mr. Salsman a liberal by 
saying I meant typical US new left mentality.  "Liberal" means very 
different things in other parts of the world.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Syd H. Levine" <syd.levine at mindspring.com>
To: "James Salsman" <jsalsman at gmail.com>; "radsafelist" <radsafe at radlab.nl>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Doyle and Ryan Gulf war reproductive health paper


> Gosh, we are in the presence of hacker greatness!  LOD, no less.  Are 
> those historical items posted about you correct, James?
>
> I found the piece about hardware hacking the phone lines in the dorm 
> interesting.  In typical liberal form, you blame your actions on the lax 
> security rather than your own bad character.  Putting this criticism in 
> perspective, I was also once a hacker, going way back to before 2600 days.

> The difference between us is that you have never grown up as clearly 
> evidenced by your obviously still defective reasoning.
>
> And a final thought.  It is highly unlikely you walked away from 
> conspiracy charges in that credit card scam unless you "cooperated" with 
> the authorities.  If the story is true, what did you have to do to get out

> of hot water?
>
> This post may generate some criticism, but Mr. Salsman's rude and 
> insulting conduct in this forum makes it fair game.
>
> Syd H. Levine
> AnaLog Services, Inc.
> Phone:  (270) 276-5671
> Telefax:  (270) 276-5588
> E-mail:  analog at logwell.com
> Web URL:  www.logwell.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "James Salsman" <jsalsman at gmail.com>
> To: "radsafelist" <radsafe at radlab.nl>
> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 1:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Doyle and Ryan Gulf war reproductive health paper
>
>
>> The Doyle and Ryan paper at http://www.bovik.org/du/DoyleRyan2006.pdf
>> describes Dr. Kang's report of a 180% increase in birth defects in the
>> children of female February, 1991 Gulf War veterans as "modest" on
>> page 574.
>>
>> Are there any other descriptions in the literature or popular press
>> where a near-tripling of a serious medical condition is referred to
>> "modest"?
>>
>> I have a several-page letter from Charles Miller of the NRC where he
>> tries to defend that characterization at length, but repeatedly
>> implies throughout that the increase reported by Dr. Kang was
>> described by Doyle and Ryan as "moderate" instead of modest.  You can
>> probably find the letter on the NRC's ADAMS document management system
>> from their web site.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> James Salsman
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