[ RadSafe ] Mangano's New Study

Tue Jul 3 12:46:53 CDT 2007

And yet, despite all of the terrible things the
anti-nuclear people say; the ICRP, NCRP, etc. publish;
the fear-mongering of the professional societies; the
BEIR reports; ALARA; the LNT; Mangano and Sternglass;
etc., we still have nuclear power and will be building
more plants.  Isn't that amazing!

Maybe the concerns of some on this list are misplaced.

--- "Muckerheide, Jim  (CDA)"
<Jim.Muckerheide at state.ma.us> wrote:

> Absolutely.  And "their belief, their religion" is
> from the high priests
> who mislead them (as with many other feeders at the
> trough of public
> fear-mongering and misrepresentation) to defraud
> that gullible public,
> and media, and politicians of $100s of Billions -
> i.e., the ICRP, NCRP,
> BEIR, EPA (with a 4 mrem/yr dose limit on natural
> radioactivity sources)
> and the many other agencies and "radon remediators"
> and
> rad-protectionists crawling the halls of Congress to
> reinforce the fraud
> that "ever photon is a (potential) killer.  
> 
> And, indeed, physics, biology and medicine are
> irrelevant - except as
> massive funding can be justified to feed the
> profitable interests.  
> 
> Radiation fear-mongering was started the progenitor
> of the ICRP formed
> by the British radiology society (which continues
> today to produce
> radiation fear-mongering in selling ever-higher cost
> equipment on the
> fraudulent premise of "dose reduction").  
> 
> This was pushed by the high-profit
> pharmaceutical-driven exclusion of
> any and all non-profitable therapies.  FDA led this
> effort, running a
> "study" through the NAS (as they have done recently
> with the BEIR VII
> report).  In the original case, they got a
> "radiation-researcher" (a
> botanist, whose own advisor had done plant
> stimulation work) to write an
> "NAS report" (1935-36, Edna Johnson U.Colorado) to
> claim that low-dose
> radiation did not stimulate plant growth. (This has
> obviously been
> refuted by numerous high school science fair
> projects - even though AEC
> booklets to provide such instruction say to start
> doses at levels above
> the stimulation range, i.e., at 1000 rad).  
> 
> FDA and others used this NAS report to claim that
> low-dose medical
> treatments are not shown to be effective, in favor
> of serums and other
> drugs.  
> 
> This medical case had to be re-established post-war
> despite the contrary
> Manhattan Project data.  This was led by the NCI,
> reinforced by the
> gargantuan profits of antibiotics.  Note that Art
> Upton was found to be
> "qualified" to head NCI.  
> 
> (Note also that the "Yearbook of Radiology" reported
> on the year's
> research on various low-dose medical therapy
> applications in the 1947
> and 1948 volumes, with NONE in the 1949 and 1950
> volumes.)
> 
> So while there are people who know the truth among
> the "anti's and the
> media and politicians, etc., the "believers" among
> them are not being
> ignorant, they are just being gullible - manipulated
> by the
> "authorities" in our official circles.  Who can
> blame them?
> 
> A number of years ago, in response to providing some
> representative
> papers, a prominent reporter asked if I could
> identify very prominent
> supporters, and changed that to:  "Can you name one
> university president
> who would agree with you?" I thought he was being
> very insightful.  What
> university president who KNEW that low-dose
> radiation was not harmful,
> and even beneficial, would dare abandon his primary
> mission of
> extracting all of the government funding that he
> could, with certainty
> of retribution from many key funding agencies even
> if his own university
> did NO low-dose radiation research!?  
> 
> The same is true for national lab people.  Consider
> the resounding
> silence that came from the lab people who know the
> voluminous data in
> response to Bill Richardson's fraudulent claims that
> we are (still)
> killing of our cold war warriors in weapons work,
> including those whose
> doses were within established dose limits.  (But it
> was also a cheap way
> to prevent worker lawsuits of the lab contractors.)
> 
> Regards, Jim 
> 
>  
> 
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl 
> >[mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On Behalf Of
> Flood, John
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 12:05 PM
> >To: Sandy Perle; John Jacobus; radsafe at radlab.nl
> >Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Mangano's New Study
> >
> >I've been posting this message intermittently for
> about ten years now -
> >the major problem we have with discussing radiation
> and its 
> >effects with
> >the anti's is that we are talking about science and
> they are talking
> >about religion.  They BELIEVE - they have FAITH -
> they know in their
> >hearts that every photon is a killer.  Physics,
> biology, and medicine
> >are irrelevant. And anyone who dares to oppose
> their beliefs gets
> >treated the way any zealot treats a blasphemer.
> >
> >John R. (Bob) Flood
> >Radiological Health
> >Nevada Test Site
> >(702) 295-2514 
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On
> >Behalf Of Sandy Perle
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 7:09 AM
> >To: 'John Jacobus'; radsafe at radlab.nl
> >Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Mangano's New Study
> >
> >John makes a good point. No matter what political
> or other persuasion
> >one
> >subscribes to, the fact for the majority is that
> they do believe what
> >they
> >preach, and it's not just an agenda or that they're
> playing a devil's
> >advocate role to further the debate. They truly
> believe what they
> >preach. As
> >I mentioned previously, Dick Toohey gives an
> excellent presentation
> >titled,
> >Why No One Believes Us: Cognitive Neuroscience and
> Radiation Risk. It
> >provides excellent examples and factors for this
> reality.
> >
>
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> > 
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On
> >Behalf
> >Of John Jacobus
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:38 AM
> >To: radsafe at radlab.nl
> >Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Mangano's New Study
> >
> >Why do you think they have a "left-wing extremist
> >ideology?"  Is it possible they believe the data is
> >true?  If so, then all the arguements and
> explanations
> >you present will not change their minds.  
> >
> >I would suggest reading "Why People Believe Weird
> 
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-- John
John Jacobus, MS
Certified Health Physicist
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