[ RadSafe ] X-Rays Scan Bodies, Mr. Perles Nazi speak (UNCLASSIFIED)

Mon Mar 5 11:56:46 CST 2007

Mike,
If you have any problems with Freanz's posting I
suggest you correspond with him, or use the delete
key.  Only the List-owner can refuse to let
individuals post on this list server.

We have been down this road before, and will probably
come up again.  Censorship is only imposed in extreme
cases.  I hope even Sandy would agree.

--- "Borisky, Michael (Civ, ARL/ADLO)"
<mborisky at arl.army.mil> wrote:

> Classification:  UNCLASSIFIED 
> Caveats: NONE
> 
> Franz,
> 
> I request once again that you "knock it off".  You
> are in my opinion the only person on this list serve
> that makes inappropriate postings and creates
> problems.  You seem to thrive on and enjoy conflict,
> and you use subtle and obvious techniques to
> generate it.    Seems you are constantly looking for
> opportunities to make postings with obvious or
> subtle anti-US sentiments.  I can assure you there
> are other quiet RADSAF members besides me that
> recognize your strategies and motives and don't
> appreciate it.  I would recommend that you eliminate
> your kind sign offs with any reference to "kind
> regards" or "respect" as I, and venture to say
> others, see them as completely disingenuous.  "Be
> nice" or please take your conflict elsewhere.  And
> please leave Sandy and everyone else alone and don't
> instigate them into your arena of conflict and
> negativity.  I am actually surprised that the
> moderator allows you to continue posting.  
> 
> Mike Borisky
> Army Research Lab 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On Behalf Of
> Franz Schönhofer
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 6:55 PM
> To: 'John Jacobus'; radsafe at radlab.nl; J. J.
> Rozental (J. J. Rozental)
> Subject: [ RadSafe ] X-Rays Scan Bodies, Mr. Perles
> Nazi speak
> 
> Since I got tired of the subject I have not reacted
> to any message on that subject since a long time,
> but what I yesterday read in the discussion between
> John and Mr. Perle motivated me to plan to react
> tomorrow, because what is distributed by Mr. Perle
> is just hairraising. But his two last messages are
> so unacceptable that I write this comment now. All
> attempts to intimitate me and ridicule me are in
> vain, because such a character like Mr.
> Perle cannot insult me. John, you know that I always
> have esteemed your contributions I understand (I do
> not understand questions of epidemiology and similar
> ones). Now I have to congratulate you, because until
> now you are obviously the only US-citizen on RADSAFE
> to speak out clearly against this paranoid "safety
> thinking", which seems to be only used to intimitade
> people, subject them to humiliation (been shown
> naked on screens) and to undermine the human rights
> and of course to raise the profit of quite a few
> companies claiming that they manufacture instruments
> and devices for "safety". I know more than well,
> that these are not only my thoughts, but these are
> the thoughts of many million US-citizens and
> influential groups.
> Practically all of my US-friends and collegues are
> among them. 
> 
> So much now, but the main reason that I have not
> waited until tomorrow, is, that Mr. Perle used the
> expression "sub-human" before and even insisted on
> these words in his latest contribution. This is
> clearly Nazi-Speak - in German "Untermenschen", a
> label given by Nazi-Germany to non-arian people like
> all Slavs, including Russians, Ukrainians, Poles,
> Czech, Slovenians, Serbs, Montenegrinians etc. etc.,
> the Romas (gypsies), Arabs and especially Jews. (It
> is intersting that the Romas are genuine Arians.) I
> do not expect that Mr. Perle has ever been to
> Auschwitz or Majdanek or any of the other
> Nazi-extinction camps, where "sub-humans" were
> killed daily by the thousands or rather tens of
> thousands like insects by using hydrogen cyanide. I
> have been there and therefore I am more than
> allergic for such words.
> 
> Now I ask whether RADSAFE is the right place to use
> Nazi-speak. Another US citizen has been banned many
> years ago from the list, because he was calling an
> international organisation for "Gestapo". It seems
> that this expression throws a light on Mr. Perles
> character. More light I'll shed on him and his queer
> opinions tomorrow (like "he" wants to be safe on
> flights and therefore everybody else has to undergo
> humiliating procedures, not raising at all safety
> and security).
> 
> It is half past midnight and again I will go to
> sleep. The most recent attempt to insult me by Mr.
> Perle on 15 Feb. is ridiculous: I will not take an
> aspirin, because I take it everyday in the morning
> according to my doctors advice. I do not take
> something called "Luvox". I do not even know what it
> is, but this only confirms that Mr. Perle is of the
> opinion that everybody in this world should know
> US-brandnames and in a broader view succumb to any
> US interest and request. Since I might concede that
> Mr. Perle might be aware, that an Austrian does not
> know "Luvox" I take the alternative conclusion that
> he was writing this for the US-market of his
> company.
> 
> Again, John, my deepest respect. Mr. Perle, please
> never adress me personally again. 
> 
> Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
> MinRat i.R.
> Habicherg. 31/7
> A-1160 Wien/Vienna
> AUSTRIA
> 
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] Im Auftrag von
> Sandy Perle
> Gesendet: Freitag, 02. März 2007 23:18
> An: John Jacobus; radsafe at radlab.nl
> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [ RadSafe ] New Airport X-Rays
> Scan Bodies, Not Just Bags
> 
> John,
> 
> Re-read my comment ... I said that the 9/11 were
> sub-human. They still are in my opinion..
> 
> Sandy
> 
> Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Jacobus <crispy_bird at yahoo.com>
> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:56:56
> To:Sandy Perle <sandyfl at cox.net>, radsafe at radlab.nl
> Subject: RE: AW: AW: [ RadSafe ] New Airport X-Rays
> Scan Bodies, Not Just Bags
> 
> Wasn't the hijackings on Sept. 11 first thought to
> be like kidnapping the plane to fly to another
> country? 
> Again, you are framing the issue as if our current
> round of terrorist is unique.  It is not.  Our
> solution has certainly not changed the risks we
> face. 
> We are just trying to build higher fences.
> 
> I would add that your comment that the 19 hijackers
> of Sept 11 were not subhuman.  Maybe that is the
> problem with Americans looking at the problems in
> the Middle East and other areas.  They many not have
> shared your beliefs, but your comments do remind me
> of the U.S.'s view of the Japanese during WWII. 
> They were subhuman also.  Times change.
> 
> 
> --- Sandy Perle <sandyfl at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> > John,
> > 
> > One can't compare terrorism to the 60s where a
> person simply got on a 
> > plane with a gun where there was no security check
> performed. It 
> > wasn't until much later that metal detectors were
> implemented and 
> > x-ray checking of carry-on.
> > Heck, wasn't that long ago that that checked bags
> were X-rayed. The 
> > terrorist of the 60s didn't want to kill
> themselves .. and that reason 
> > was also blown up on 9/11 where 19 sub-humans
> preferred to die along 
> > with the thousands of innocents that they
> murdered. You can't compare 
> > apples and oranges.
> > 
> > Sandy
> > 
> >
> 

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“We must face the fact that the United States is neither omnipotent or omniscient — that we are only 6 percent of the world’s population; that we cannot impose our will upon the other 94 percent of mankind; that we cannot right every wrong or reverse each adversity; and therefore there cannot be an American solution to every world problem.”
-- John F. Kennedy 

-- John
John Jacobus, MS
Certified Health Physicist
e-mail:  crispy_bird at yahoo.com

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