[ RadSafe ] X-Rays Scan Bodies, Mr. Perles Nazi speak (UNCLASSIFIED)

Mon Mar 5 13:05:57 CST 2007

I have suggested many times before that members of RADSAFE should simply ignore the cooks who seem to spend their entire lifetime criticizing others on RADSAFE for their views or their spelling. I makes you wonder who pays these persons for the time they spend. Each time I suggest ignoring these persons, someone indicates that there is a need to refute what the person says. 

It would appear that some people are just looking for  an excuse to argue. When I note that the author of the comment is by one of these troublemakers, I simply delete the comment as I would any other recognizable garbage on line. I would suggest a similar approach by others

Bob Gallagher 
NSSI

-----Original Message-----
From: mborisky at arl.army.mil
To: franz.schoenhofer at chello.at; crispy_bird at yahoo.com; radsafe at radlab.nl; joseroze at netvision.net.il
Sent: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] X-Rays Scan Bodies, Mr. Perles Nazi speak (UNCLASSIFIED)

Classification:  UNCLASSIFIED 
Caveats: NONE

Franz,

I request once again that you "knock it off".  You are in my opinion the only 
person on this list serve that makes inappropriate postings and creates 
problems.  You seem to thrive on and enjoy conflict, and you use subtle and 
obvious techniques to generate it.    Seems you are constantly looking for 
opportunities to make postings with obvious or subtle anti-US sentiments.  I can 
assure you there are other quiet RADSAF members besides me that recognize your 
strategies and motives and don't appreciate it.  I would recommend that you 
eliminate your kind sign offs with any reference to "kind regards" or "respect" 
as I, and venture to say others, see them as completely disingenuous.  "Be nice" 
or please take your conflict elsewhere.  And please leave Sandy and everyone 
else alone and don't instigate them into your arena of conflict and negativity.  
I am actually surprised that the moderator allows you to continue posting.  

Mike Borisky
Army Research Lab 

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On Behalf Of 
Franz Schönhofer
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 6:55 PM
To: 'John Jacobus'; radsafe at radlab.nl; J. J. Rozental (J. J. Rozental)
Subject: [ RadSafe ] X-Rays Scan Bodies, Mr. Perles Nazi speak

Since I got tired of the subject I have not reacted to any message on that 
subject since a long time, but what I yesterday read in the discussion between 
John and Mr. Perle motivated me to plan to react tomorrow, because what is 
distributed by Mr. Perle is just hairraising. But his two last messages are so 
unacceptable that I write this comment now. All attempts to intimitate me and 
ridicule me are in vain, because such a character like Mr.
Perle cannot insult me. John, you know that I always have esteemed your 
contributions I understand (I do not understand questions of epidemiology and 
similar ones). Now I have to congratulate you, because until now you are 
obviously the only US-citizen on RADSAFE to speak out clearly against this 
paranoid "safety thinking", which seems to be only used to intimitade people, 
subject them to humiliation (been shown naked on screens) and to undermine the 
human rights and of course to raise the profit of quite a few companies claiming 
that they manufacture instruments and devices for "safety". I know more than 
well, that these are not only my thoughts, but these are the thoughts of many 
million US-citizens and influential groups.
Practically all of my US-friends and collegues are among them. 

So much now, but the main reason that I have not waited until tomorrow, is, that 
Mr. Perle used the expression "sub-human" before and even insisted on these 
words in his latest contribution. This is clearly Nazi-Speak - in German 
"Untermenschen", a label given by Nazi-Germany to non-arian people like all 
Slavs, including Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, Czech, Slovenians, Serbs, 
Montenegrinians etc. etc., the Romas (gypsies), Arabs and especially Jews. (It 
is intersting that the Romas are genuine Arians.) I do not expect that Mr. Perle 
has ever been to Auschwitz or Majdanek or any of the other Nazi-extinction 
camps, where "sub-humans" were killed daily by the thousands or rather tens of 
thousands like insects by using hydrogen cyanide. I have been there and 
therefore I am more than allergic for such words.

Now I ask whether RADSAFE is the right place to use Nazi-speak. Another US 
citizen has been banned many years ago from the list, because he was calling an 
international organisation for "Gestapo". It seems that this expression throws a 
light on Mr. Perles character. More light I'll shed on him and his queer 
opinions tomorrow (like "he" wants to be safe on flights and therefore everybody 
else has to undergo humiliating procedures, not raising at all safety and 
security).

It is half past midnight and again I will go to sleep. The most recent attempt 
to insult me by Mr. Perle on 15 Feb. is ridiculous: I will not take an aspirin, 
because I take it everyday in the morning according to my doctors advice. I do 
not take something called "Luvox". I do not even know what it is, but this only 
confirms that Mr. Perle is of the opinion that everybody in this world should 
know US-brandnames and in a broader view succumb to any US interest and request. 
Since I might concede that Mr. Perle might be aware, that an Austrian does not 
know "Luvox" I take the alternative conclusion that he was writing this for the 
US-market of his company.

Again, John, my deepest respect. Mr. Perle, please never adress me personally 
again. 

Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
MinRat i.R.
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Wien/Vienna
AUSTRIA

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] Im Auftrag von 
Sandy Perle
Gesendet: Freitag, 02. März 2007 23:18
An: John Jacobus; radsafe at radlab.nl
Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [ RadSafe ] New Airport X-Rays Scan Bodies, Not Just Bags

John,

Re-read my comment ... I said that the 9/11 were sub-human. They still are in my 
opinion..

Sandy

Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless  

-----Original Message-----
From: John Jacobus <crispy_bird at yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:56:56
To:Sandy Perle <sandyfl at cox.net>, radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: RE: AW: AW: [ RadSafe ] New Airport X-Rays Scan Bodies, Not Just Bags

Wasn't the hijackings on Sept. 11 first thought to be like kidnapping the plane 
to fly to another country? 
Again, you are framing the issue as if our current round of terrorist is unique.  
It is not.  Our solution has certainly not changed the risks we face. 
We are just trying to build higher fences.

I would add that your comment that the 19 hijackers of Sept 11 were not 
subhuman.  Maybe that is the problem with Americans looking at the problems in 
the Middle East and other areas.  They many not have shared your beliefs, but 
your comments do remind me of the U.S.'s view of the Japanese during WWII.  They 
were subhuman also.  Times change.

--- Sandy Perle <sandyfl at cox.net> wrote:

> John,
> 
> One can't compare terrorism to the 60s where a person simply got on a 
> plane with a gun where there was no security check performed. It 
> wasn't until much later that metal detectors were implemented and 
> x-ray checking of carry-on.
> Heck, wasn't that long ago that that checked bags were X-rayed. The 
> terrorist of the 60s didn't want to kill themselves .. and that reason 
> was also blown up on 9/11 where 19 sub-humans preferred to die along 
> with the thousands of innocents that they murdered. You can't compare 
> apples and oranges.
> 
> Sandy
> 
>
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> Solutions, Inc.
> 2652 McGaw Avenue
> Irvine, CA 92614
>  
> Tel: (949) 296-2306 / (888) 437-1714 Extension 2306
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Jacobus [mailto:crispy_bird at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 10:23 AM
> To: Sandy Perle; radsafe at radlab.nl
> Subject: RE: AW: AW: [ RadSafe ] New Airport X-Rays Scan Bodies, Not 
> Just Bags
> 
> In the
> 1970s and 1980s we had sky marshalls. 
>
http://jobprofiles.monster.com/Content/job_content/JC_Military/JSC_PrivateSe
>
curity/JOB_FederalAirMarshall/jobzilla_html?jobprofiles=1
> That seemed to stop planes being hijacked to Cuba. 
> Is
> there a lesson here?  Low technology works well
> 
> 

+++++++++++++++++++
"We must face the fact that the United States is neither omnipotent or 
omniscient - that we are only 6 percent of the world's population; that we 
cannot impose our will upon the other 94 percent of mankind; that we cannot 
right every wrong or reverse each adversity; and therefore there cannot be an 
American solution to every world problem."
-- John F. Kennedy 

-- John
John Jacobus, MS
Certified Health Physicist
e-mail:  crispy_bird at yahoo.com

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