[ RadSafe ] RE: Terror in the US & world at large

John Jacobus crispy_bird at yahoo.com
Tue Mar 6 15:42:40 CST 2007

Was the plane a DC-3 or the military equivalent, the

>From "Lend-lease: Aircraft Deliveries to the Soviet
Union" at

"Some American aircraft types were simply
irreplaceable and very highly appreciated on all
levels during the war, e.g. P-39 Airacobra fighters,
A-20 Boston and B-25 Mitchell bombers and C-47
transport aircraft."

As noted at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_DC-3

"During World War II, many civilian DC-3s were drafted
for the war effort and nearly 10,000 military versions
of the DC-3 were built, under the designations C-47,
C-53, R4D and Dakota."

--- Steven Dapra <sjd at swcp.com> wrote:

> March 5
>          Who was the Soviet agent at Malta -- oops
> -- did you mean 
> Yalta?  I knew about the National Socialist acronym.
>          That "Soviet" DC-3 may have been one that
> was reverse engineered 
> from some US planes that were forced to land in
> Siberia.  (Forced by bad 
> weather and lack of fuel for the return trip to a
> US-controlled 
> base.)  Stalin refused to return the planes -- in
> effect he stole them.  I 
> don't know what happened to the crews.  I also
> cannot remember where I read 
> about this.
> Steven Dapra
> At 04:20 PM 3/5/07 -0800, Raymond A Hoover wrote:
> >Actually, Roosevelt had a number of Soviet agents
> on his staff (the U.S. 
> >didn't know it at the time of course).  In point of
> fact Rossevelt's chief 
> >adviser at the Malta conference was a Soviet agent.
>   Stalin knew more 
> >about the Manhatten Project than Truman did when he
> took over from Roosevelt.
> >
> >Let me also point out that the Soviets and the
> Nazis (bet you didn't know 
> >that Nazi is an acronym for National Socialst, i.e.
> the Nazis were 
> >socialists) had more than one agreement during the
> inter war period.  The 
> >Soviets provided training areas for the German army
> in exchange for 
> >advanced training, the Ribbentrop-Molotov agreement
> that partitioned 
> >Poland are two examples).
> >
> >While it is true that Stalin was constantly asking
> for a second front, the 
> >West hadn't abandoned him.  The U.S. provided a
> great deal of assistance 
> >the Soviets that allowed them to continue fighting.
>  As one example when I 
> >was in Kiev I toured a War Museum.  In one corner
> of the museum there sat 
> >a DC-3.  The sign on the walkway said it was a
> Soviet plane.  It was 
> >either a copy of some of the U.S. support.  The
> U.S. gave the Soviets lots 
> >of  infrastructure support (vehicles, food,
> medicine, etc). most of which 
> >was never aknowledged by the Soviets.
> >
> >None of this is related to adiation stuff of
> course.
> >
> >John Jacobus <crispy_bird at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Steve,
> >I don't think there was any "love affair" between
> >and Stalin. After WWI there was a powerful
> >isolationist movement in this country. Our entry
> into
> >WWII was delayed by the "America First" movement, a
> >member of which was the American hero Charles
> >Lindbergh.
> >Also, there was fear of the rise Communism. And who
> >better to fight the Communist that the Facists?
> >Even before the US entered the European front, we
> had
> >arrangements with Britain, e.g., Lend-Lease policy.
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease
> >At the outset of our involvement, Stalin pushed for
> a
> >second front. Instead the US and Britain push
> through
> >North Africa, into the Mediterranian. Basically,
> the
> >Soviet Union breed the Nazis with their own
> soldiers
> >and citizens until we finally invaded Normandy.
> >--- Steven Dapra wrote:
> >Rest deleted.
> >
> >
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