[ RadSafe ] RE: Terror in the US & world at large
crispy_bird at yahoo.com
Tue Mar 6 15:42:40 CST 2007
Was the plane a DC-3 or the military equivalent, the
>From "Lend-lease: Aircraft Deliveries to the Soviet
"Some American aircraft types were simply
irreplaceable and very highly appreciated on all
levels during the war, e.g. P-39 Airacobra fighters,
A-20 Boston and B-25 Mitchell bombers and C-47
As noted at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_DC-3
"During World War II, many civilian DC-3s were drafted
for the war effort and nearly 10,000 military versions
of the DC-3 were built, under the designations C-47,
C-53, R4D and Dakota."
--- Steven Dapra <sjd at swcp.com> wrote:
> March 5
> Who was the Soviet agent at Malta -- oops
> -- did you mean
> Yalta? I knew about the National Socialist acronym.
> That "Soviet" DC-3 may have been one that
> was reverse engineered
> from some US planes that were forced to land in
> Siberia. (Forced by bad
> weather and lack of fuel for the return trip to a
> base.) Stalin refused to return the planes -- in
> effect he stole them. I
> don't know what happened to the crews. I also
> cannot remember where I read
> about this.
> Steven Dapra
> At 04:20 PM 3/5/07 -0800, Raymond A Hoover wrote:
> >Actually, Roosevelt had a number of Soviet agents
> on his staff (the U.S.
> >didn't know it at the time of course). In point of
> fact Rossevelt's chief
> >adviser at the Malta conference was a Soviet agent.
> Stalin knew more
> >about the Manhatten Project than Truman did when he
> took over from Roosevelt.
> >Let me also point out that the Soviets and the
> Nazis (bet you didn't know
> >that Nazi is an acronym for National Socialst, i.e.
> the Nazis were
> >socialists) had more than one agreement during the
> inter war period. The
> >Soviets provided training areas for the German army
> in exchange for
> >advanced training, the Ribbentrop-Molotov agreement
> that partitioned
> >Poland are two examples).
> >While it is true that Stalin was constantly asking
> for a second front, the
> >West hadn't abandoned him. The U.S. provided a
> great deal of assistance
> >the Soviets that allowed them to continue fighting.
> As one example when I
> >was in Kiev I toured a War Museum. In one corner
> of the museum there sat
> >a DC-3. The sign on the walkway said it was a
> Soviet plane. It was
> >either a copy of some of the U.S. support. The
> U.S. gave the Soviets lots
> >of infrastructure support (vehicles, food,
> medicine, etc). most of which
> >was never aknowledged by the Soviets.
> >None of this is related to adiation stuff of
> >John Jacobus <crispy_bird at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >I don't think there was any "love affair" between
> >and Stalin. After WWI there was a powerful
> >isolationist movement in this country. Our entry
> >WWII was delayed by the "America First" movement, a
> >member of which was the American hero Charles
> >Also, there was fear of the rise Communism. And who
> >better to fight the Communist that the Facists?
> >Even before the US entered the European front, we
> >arrangements with Britain, e.g., Lend-Lease policy.
> >At the outset of our involvement, Stalin pushed for
> >second front. Instead the US and Britain push
> >North Africa, into the Mediterranian. Basically,
> >Soviet Union breed the Nazis with their own
> >and citizens until we finally invaded Normandy.
> >--- Steven Dapra wrote:
> >Rest deleted.
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