[ RadSafe ] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle Swindle

Riely, Brian P. brian.riely at ngc.com
Thu Mar 22 17:16:03 CDT 2007

 Jim Dukelow 

Wow! I can not believe you used the term, "right-wing
disinformationists."  I originally thought you were trying to have a
rational and informed debate.


Brian Riely

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Dukelow, James S Jr
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 5:00 PM
To: Steven Dapra; radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle Swindle

Steven Dapra wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl on behalf of Steven Dapra
Sent: Tue 3/20/2007 7:39 PM
To: radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle Swindle
March 20

         This is a very informative website with a lot of useful and
equally informative links.  My thanks to Brian Riely for posting this

         It is beginning to look like man-made "global warming" is a
fraud and a hoax.  It would seem that the earth is in a cycle of
warming, and that man-made chemicals have nothing to do with the current
warming trend.  When you find that the peddlers of global warming are
covering up or ignoring the role of water vapor (which is 95% of the
gases that cause
warming) you can't help but be skeptical -- both of man-made global
warming, and skeptical of the honesty of the people pushing it.  No
flames, please.  It's warm enough already.  (Har, har.)

Steven Dapra
sjd at swcp.com


There are two technical terms for the argument that Steven Dapra is
advancing here.

One is "straw man".  You create a fictitious argument that none your
debating opponents actually believes and then proceed to burn it down
(up?).  No educated climate scientist anywhere in the world is not aware
that water vapor is responsible for most of the greenhouse gas warming
effect that makes the earth's surface roughly 33 deg C warmer than it
would be if we didn't have an atmosphere that contained greenhouse
gases.  Every general circulation model incorporates the greenhouse gas
effect of water vapor.  In fact, the warming predicted by GCM's is
roughly twice what would be expected from the anthropogenic emission
CO2, CH4, nitrous oxide, and CFCs, specifically because the warming that
those gases produce will result in more water vapor in the atmosphere --
see the Clausius-Clapeyron equation.

The second technical term for the argument is "lie".  I assume that
Steven Dapra is just ignorantly passing along this particular lie being
propagated by right-wing disinformationists that are well aware that it
is a lie.

More generally, many contributors to this discussion have said something
on the order of "I don't know much (or anything) about climate science,
but I know who I am ideologically comfortable believing".  Almost
everyone reading and contributing to RADSAFE is capable of informing
themselves about the the facts of climate scientists so that they can
make informed choices of what policies to support.

Best regards.

Jim Dukelow
Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
Richland, WA
jim.dukelow at pnl.gov

These comments are mine and have not been reviewed and/or approved by my
management or the U.S. Department of Energy.
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