AW: [ RadSafe ] European Union (EU) Drinking Water Limit forTritium

Wed May 23 16:28:33 CDT 2007

To call Franz paranoid is to be excessively polite.

I have no idea what Franz thinks he found about me on Google, or anywhere
else, but by all means, please share it with the list.  The veiled comments
about me make my point that Franz is nasty and vindictive.  The comment
about my education is typical Franz speak.

The crack about if the US had not taken up arms in WWII is an accepted old
saw, and I certainly did not coin it.  Only a serious revisionist view of
history could render said saying inappropriate.  Does Franz view the role of
the US in WWII as US propaganda?

As to insulting some nameless person, I do not recall any such episode.  I
certainly do not make a habit of insulting folks I do not even know.  I do
recall a few emails off list about that wise crack I made, but all were from
males as far as I can remember.

Syd H. Levine
AnaLog Services, Inc.
Phone:  (270) 276-5671
Telefax:  (270) 276-5588
E-mail:  analog at logwell.com
Web URL:  www.logwell.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Franz Schönhofer" <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
To: "'Syd H. Levine'" <syd.levine at mindspring.com>; "'H. Westenbrink'"
<h.westenbrink at amc.uva.nl>; "Marcel Schouwenburg"
<m.schouwenburg at tudelft.nl>
Cc: "'Leo M. Lowe'" <llowe at senes.ca>; <radsafe at radlab.nl>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:40 AM
Subject: AW: AW: [ RadSafe ] European Union (EU) Drinking Water Limit
forTritium

Dear collegues, dear RADSAFErs,

Anybody interested in this Levine outflow should first of all use Google to
find more informations about him.

Secondly I have to wonder, whether Syd H. Levine is now the new list owner
and moderator of RADSAFE who would be competent to explain, why I am under
moderation - I have not received any such notice. I wonder how Marcel can
tolerate anything like this without putting the sender under moderation.

Syd seems not to be well educated, because he is not even able to copy
"persona non grata", but makes it "persona non gratis". I wonder whether he
will be put under moderation by Marcel, calling another RADSAFEr "a bit
paranoid, vindictive and hateful...". If I ever had called someone on
RADSAFE paranoid I would most probably have been banned for life time.

The delays in my posts are caused by the monitoring process and nothing
else. I do not expect Marcel to monitor the RADSAFE list 24 hours, 7 days a
week!!! That I have been put under monitoring is another issue, which I will
not discuss here - but if somebody insists on it I will do it. Other
RADSAFErs should anyway have the information that I have answered their
questions right away without delay. Everything else is just fantasy of Mr
Levines brain.

It would be a very bad list owner if he would become irritated by a poster.

Mr. Levine, according to my Google researches your company seems not to be
representative of anything in the USA. I have checked your postings to
RADSAFE. One is unforgettable - your unexcusable message (on RADSAFE - a
list dedicated to Radiation Protection!), that if the USA had not
participated in WW II "we would all speak German". I still speak German and
do not think that there is anything wrong with it, but I recently met a
young woman at an international conference, who is not German, does not
speak German and does not even work in her native country and not in
Germany, who told me that she had protested against your message, but
received from you such a nasty answer that she cancelled her subscription to
RADSAFE.

You still have not understood, that RADSAFE is an international list and
that not only the majority of RADSAFErs, but also the vast majority of the
world population is not interested in US propaganda. So stop it!

Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
MinRat i.R.
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Wien/Vienna
AUSTRIA

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Syd H. Levine [mailto:syd.levine at mindspring.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2007 15:20
An: H. Westenbrink; Franz Schönhofer
Cc: 'Leo M. Lowe'; radsafe at radlab.nl
Betreff: Re: AW: [ RadSafe ] European Union (EU) Drinking Water Limit
forTritium

Franz is not "persona non gratis" on Radsafe; if he was, we would not be
seeing his posts at all.  Franz is a bit paranoid, a bit vindictive and
hateful, and a bit down on most things related to the USA.

He often mentions the delay in his posts, and that could be caused by a
number of things.  Normal web propagation and/or listserv software behavior
is pretty unpredictable, and delays are common in posts to reflector mailing

lists.  Further, if he is using an email account different from the one he
originally registered on Radsafe, then the moderator must approve each post
(this happens to me when I slip up and use the wrong email account from time

to time).  Finally, Franz may have irritated the list owner / moderator with

his nasty style, and he may have been placed on moderate status.  Only the
owner / moderator would know for sure, but who could blame him if he has
placed Franz (and a few others of us) on moderate status?

Syd H. Levine
AnaLog Services, Inc.
Phone:  (270) 276-5671
Telefax:  (270) 276-5588
E-mail:  analog at logwell.com
Web URL:  www.logwell.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "H. Westenbrink" <h.westenbrink at amc.uva.nl>
To: "Franz Schönhofer" <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
Cc: "'Leo M. Lowe'" <llowe at senes.ca>; <radsafe at radlab.nl>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: AW: [ RadSafe ] European Union (EU) Drinking Water Limit
forTritium

Can anyone explain to me,
why Franz is on a radsafe list of "persona non grata" (it has nothing
to do with radiation protection). I think Franz has a lot to
contribute.

best regards,
Henk Westenbrink
h.westenbrink at amc.nl # 020-56 65752
RSO
Central B-laboratory (F1-149)
AMC  Amsterdam

----- Original Message -----
From: Franz Schönhofer <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:43 pm
Subject: AW: [ RadSafe ] European Union (EU) Drinking Water Limit for
Tritium

> Dear Leo,
>
> Yes, I am a European collegue and even more important I have been
> working on
> the radioactivity of drinking water for probably twenty years. On
> the other
> hand I am a kind of "persona non grata" on RADSAFE, because my
> messages are
> monitored and some times are distributed on the RADSAFE list up to
> two days
> later. The recent attempt of a US company for recruiting RSO's for
> the US
> Army for duty in Iraq was not at all delayed. So do not be
> surprised, that
> you will receive my mail to you more or less immediately and - if
> at all - a
> second time with a large delay via the RADSAFE list.
>
> The EU drinking water directive has no "limits" for radioactive
> contamination. The indicative dose given excludes - please be
> careful - not
> only T, K-40 and radon, but also radon progeny!!!! I suppose you
> know, that
> Po-210 and Pb-210 have very high dose conversion factors. There is a
> recommendation for the member states to set MPC for Rn-222, Pb-210
and
> Po-210. A few member states have followed this recommendation, the
> Scandinavian ones had them already before in force. They are not
> uniform,but differ from member state to member state.
> Considerations on setting
> MPC's are done in a few EU Member States.
>
> Now to the "Indicative Concentration" of Tritium. Here I have to
> disappointyou -there is (in my opinion) no scientific background
> for the 100 Bq/L.
> There was a severe quarrel between the European Parliament and the
> EuropeanCommission, which lasted for years, concerning the
> indicative concentration
> of tritium. Especially the green fraction of the European
> Parliament did not
> really care about doses, but as is known very well from other
> issues, they
> wanted to reduce the "numbers" to sell this as their success and
> achievementfor protecting the population. They produced numbers of
> 75 Bq/l, to be
> reduced to 25 Bq/l within a few years. Needless to say, that in
> Europe you
> cannot find nowadays any drinking water which would even come
> close to 25
> Bq/l. In Austria all drinking water is below 2 Bq/l.
>
> Having said this, I can only answer to your last question, that
> there is no
> EU dose limit for drinking water. The concept of indicative dose
> is the
> following: In case the indicative dose would be exceeded (very
> unlikely in
> European drinking water supplies), then the competent authorities
> have to
> decide, whether countermeasures are necessary and the situation of
> the water
> supply (nitrate, arsenic, coli-bacteria etc. etc.) has to be taken
> intoconsideration.
>
> I hope I could express the situation in my bad English! Feel free
> to contact
> me again in case of any further questions!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Franz
>
>
> Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
> MinRat i.R.
> Habicherg. 31/7
> A-1160 Wien/Vienna
> AUSTRIA
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl]
> Im Auftrag
> von Leo M. Lowe
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Mai 2007 21:59
> An: radsafe at radlab.nl
> Betreff: [ RadSafe ] European Union (EU) Drinking Water Limit for
> Tritium
> Some questions for our European colleagues:
>
> I understand that the EU drinking water limits are based on an
> "indicator dose" of 0.1 mSv/y, excluding tritium, K-40 and radon,
> and
> an indicator parameter of 100 Bq/L for tritium.
>
> What is the basis for the 100 Bq/L value for tritium?  How was it
> derived? Is it just an indicator that non-background sources are
> potentially present?  Is there a readily-available citation that
> describes this?
>
> Also, if 0.1 mSv/y is just an "indicator dose", what is the EU
> dose
> limit for drinking water?
>
> Feel free to respond directly to me.
>
> Regards,
>
> Leo M. Lowe, Ph.D., P.Phys.
>
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> www.senes.ca
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