[ RadSafe ] Re: radsafe Digest, Vol 120, Issue 4

Thu Nov 15 15:14:16 CST 2007

It's more interesting than that, depending on where you get your
figures.  According to the National Institutes of Health Morbidity and
Mortality 2007 Chart Book on Cardiovascular, Lung and Blood Diseases,
case fatality rates for myocardial infarct have declined since 1970, but
hospitalization rates increased from 1965 to 1986 and have been
relatively flat since.  One could make the case that fallout lead to
increased rates of heart disease but improvements in care (including in
imaging) have more than offset that increase.  To mix a metaphor, the
deeper you dig, the harder it is to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Message: 7
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:44:46 -0500
From: "stewart farber" <radproject at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] New Mexico Testing for DU -meaningless
	associations
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	<radsafe at radlab.nl>
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Hi all,

For those that enjoy meaningless associations [either positive or
negative] 
with increased radiation exposure consider the following.

It is interesting to look at the increased rates of nuclear bomb test 
fallout during the peak days of atmospheric testing [which ended in
1963 for 
the US and Soviets with the open air test ban treaty] and the fallout 
occuring through the late 1970s as the atmospheric inventory of test
fallout 
came to earth.  This total open air bomb test deposition and radiation

exposure to the entire Northern hemisphere dwarfed by countless orders
of 
magnitude anything from DU. Of interest,  you will see that rates of
death 
from heart disease in the US declined steadily and significantly
throughout 
the 70's and into the 80's with increased fallout radiation doses to
our 
entire population.

The negative association of fallout with decreasing heart disease rates
and 
heart related deaths is just an interesting -----and meaningless,
fact.

It has been said that "There are three types of lies - lies, damn lies,
and 
statistics." - This quote is variously attributed to Benjamin Disraeli
[most 
likely source], Mark Twain and many other dead people. Whoever said it,
this 
is a very relevant quote for HPs.

Stewart Farber, MS Public Health

Farber Medical Solutions, LLC
Linac/Medical & Rad Instrumentation Brokerage
1285 Wood Ave.
Bridgeport, CT 06604
[203] 441-8433 [Office]
[203] 367-0791 [Fax]
email: radproject at sbcglobal.net 
website: http://www.farber-medical.com 

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bobcherry at satx.rr.com>
To: "Roger Helbig" <rhelbig at california.com>
Cc: "radsafelist" <radsafe at radlab.nl>
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] New Mexico Testing for DU

Of course, the global diabetes "epidemic" has nothing to do with the
gobal 
raised level of affluence and all to do with radionucldes.
I also note the incidence of carpal tunnel syndrome has greatly
increased 
since the first Gulf War, due no doubt to the mass spreading of
depleted 
uranium around the world.
What else can we blame on radioactivity?
[The above is sarcasm, for those inclined to take it seriously.]
Focusing on the New Mexico monitoring of veterans also mentioned below,
it 
looks like they are going about it the right way. I hope they publicize

their results, especially if they don't find any DU in the New Mexico 
veterans.
Bob Cherry

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Roger Helbig <rhelbig at california.com>
Date: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:57 am
Subject: [ RadSafe ] New Mexico Testing for DU
To: radsafelist <radsafe at radlab.nl>

> This was posted by Linda Modica, one of the recent speakers at
> Jonesboro, Tennessee to the blog that Wes Rehberg, one of the
> Christian Peacemaker Team members who has become obsessed with DU
> now hosts -- he used to allow unmoderated postings, but lately, I
> have not seen him approve any of mine like an expose of Douglas
> Lind Rokke's non-existent expertise in veterans health including
> the titles of both of "Doctor Rokke's" theses
>
> Does anyone on the list know Modica or anyone at Sierra Club who
> can confirm that Modica is in fact National Chair because if you
> listen to Modica, you will find that she spreads considerable
> disinformation. She is on video of the East Tennessee State
> University anti-DU conference sponsored by the Christian
> Peacemaker Teams of the Church of the Brotherhood.
>
> Masters'
>
> The necessity and educational acquisition of selected vocational
> skills by Food Science graduates
> by Douglas Lind Rokke, 1986
>
> Doctoral
>
> Perceived physics concepts needed to teach secondary technology
> education as general education
> by Douglas Lind Rokke, 1992
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> ------------- 
>
> NEW MEXICO VETERANS AND THOSE ON ACTIVE DUTY TO BE TESTED FOR
> PRESENCE OF DEPLETED URANIUM
>
>
> The following article was forwarded by Linda Modica, national
> chair of Sierra Club's radiation committee, and co-founder of
> First Tennessee Progressives.
>
> Thursday November 8, 2007
>
> New Mexico veterans to be tested for presence of depleted uranium
>
> By Kathy Helms, DinΘ Bureau
> Gallup Independent
>
> WINDOW ROCK ï The New Mexico Department of Health will be testing
> New Mexico
> veterans and active duty military personnel beginning next week to
> determinewhether they have high concentrations of natural uranium
> and/or depleted
> uranium in their urine.
>
> The department╣s Environmental Health Epidemiology Bureau is
> offering the
> tests free of charge at its Scientific Laboratory in Albuquerque for
> military personnel and veterans who may have been exposed to
depleted
> uranium in the Persian Gulf War, the Afghanistan conflict or the
> current war
> in Iraq.
>
> The Department of Health will make appointments to test
> individuals in every
> county of the state from Nov. 13 to the week of Dec. 10. Tests
> will be
> conducted the week of Dec. 10 for individuals from San Juan,
McKinley,
> Cibola, Sandoval and Los Alamos counties.
>
> "The New Mexico Legislature gave us funding to test veterans and
> active duty
> military who may have been exposed to depleted uranium," said Health
> Secretary Dr. Alfredo Vigil. "We encourage military personnel to
take
> advantage of these free tests."
>
> At the appointment, a Department of Health staff member will give
> a brief
> questionnaire and take a tap water sample, which will also be
> tested for
> total uranium. The water is tested for uranium because New Mexico,
on
> average, has a higher concentration of uranium in drinking water
> than the
> rest of the country.
>
> If the urine sample tests high for uranium, the department will
> offer a
> follow-up test to determine if this uranium is depleted or natural
> uranium.
> Depleted uranium is used for bullets, tank armor and explosives.
> One of the
> possible side effects of having high levels of depleted uranium is
> kidneydamage.
>
> Another possible consequence of exposure to depleted uranium is
> diabetes,according to Leuren Moret, a geoscientist and
> international radiation
> specialist who formerly worked as a scientist at Lawrence Berkeley
and
> Lawrence Livermore laboratories.
>
> In an article published in 2006, Moret said data from Japan, the
> UnitedStates, India and Europe confirms her discovery of a global
> epidemic of
> diabetes which began with Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945 and has
> continuedto increase during atmospheric testing, nuclear power
> plant operations, and
> very sharply since depleted uranium was introduced in 1991.
>
> "The major radioactive pollutant from atmospheric testing was
> uranium. There
> is an established link in the scientific literature between
> uranium and
> diabetes. Diabetes has also been linked to radiation exposure in
> Hiroshima,Nagasaki, and Chernobyl survivors," Moret said.
>
> Her theory has been corroborated by Dr. Ernest Sternglass, professor
> emeritus of Radiological Physics at the University of Pittsburgh
> MedicalSchool, a pioneer in the study of the health effects of low-
> level radiation,
> and other health experts.
>
> In an article first published from last December through
> Valentine╣s Day
> 2007 in the San Francisco Bay View, "From Hiroshima to Iraq, 61
> Years of
> Uranium Wars," Moret wrote that the conduct of secret nuclear wars
> since1991, through the use of depleted uranium weaponry by the
> United States and
> Great Britain with their allies, has taken place in the Middle
> East, the
> former Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Lebanon.
>
> "It has been carried out for the express purpose of destroying the
> publichealth and mutilating the genetic future of vast populations
> in oil rich
> and/or pipeline regions," she said.
>
> "Carpet and grid bombing with depleted uranium weaponry in Iraq,
> Yugoslaviaand Afghanistan has guaranteed permanent radioactive
> terrain contamination.
> The recent discovery that U.S. depleted uranium bombs dropped by
> Israel on
> Lebanon in 2006 contained enriched uranium suggests covert testing
> of fourth
> generation nuclear weapons, in violation of the Geneva and Hague
> Conventions and the 1925 Geneva Poison Gas Protocol.
>
> "For populations that must continue to live in contaminated areas,
the
> long-term effects are lingering illnesses and mutilation of their
> DNA. è
> Mutations induced in the DNA of a single egg or sperm which form a
> fertilized egg are expressed and repeated in every cell of the
> developingorganism, and defects are passed on to all future
> generations.
> "Global atmospheric pollution from depleted uranium particulates
> will result
> in massive depopulation on a global scale. By increasing death
> rates and
> decreasing birth rates globally, more than 2 billion people will be
> eliminated," Moret predicts.
>
> "Not only are U.S. and allied soldiers exposed and civilian
> populationsgenocidally targeted, but the depleted uranium
> pollution is now global. In
> reality, we are all Gulf War veterans."
>
> Information: To volunteer or find out more, contact the Department╣s
> Environmental Health Epidemiology Bureau at: DOH-EHEB at state.nm.us 
> or call
> toll-free, 888-878-8992.
>
>
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