[ RadSafe ] Re: Panel wants tighter radiation security

John R Johnson idias at interchange.ubc.ca
Sat Oct 20 12:37:44 CDT 2007


Dan and other Radsafers

Did they also "skip" the TENORM sources in pipeline scale?

John
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan McCarn" <hotgreenchile at gmail.com>
To: "Clayton J Bradt" <cjb01 at health.state.ny.us>; <radsafe at radlab.nl>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Re: Panel wants tighter radiation security


> Hello Group:
>
>
>
> Being a geologist, I thought I might add my two cents into this crazy
> discussion:  Apparently, the defense folks skipped the issue about the 
> many,
> many neutron and gamma sources currently in use in the petroleum and 
> mining
> industries worldwide, not to mention the innumerable "retired" sources. 
> Every
> country that has a potential petroleum or mineral resource has numerous
> 10-15 Curie sources running around in the bush to remote locations.
>
>
>
> The hospitals present a "target" that can be hardened by "normal" 
> Safeguards
> measures to make them "resistant" to terrorist attacks.  If they are truly
> concerned about this, perhaps the first step would be to initiate more
> aggressive active and passive Safeguards measures.  This would be far less
> expensive than the alternative.
>
>
>
> I remember another discussion about soil density & moisture probes several
> months ago being of concern with milliCurie sources.  That seemed to drop
> off the public's radar after only a few weeks.
>
>
>
> Regards!
>
>
>
> Dan ii
>
>
>
> Dan W McCarn, Geologist
>
> Albuquerque & Houston
>
>
> On 10/17/07, Clayton J Bradt <cjb01 at health.state.ny.us> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> The concern about Cs-137 irradiators did not originate with the Defense
>> Science Board, although they are the first that I have heard advocate
>> removing these units from service.  People from the national labs, DNDO
>> and
>> DHS have been ringing the alarm for quite some time, with the objective 
>> of
>> improving security over these units.  The analyses leading to the concern
>> have centered around the amount of uniformly distributed contamination
>> that
>> would result in an exclusion zone, a la Chernobyl.  Although based upon
>> worst case assumptions, the physics and health physics of these analyses
>> are sound enough: its the assumptions about social psychology and
>> economics
>> that I find unconvincing.  I don't think we can use Prypriat as a model
>> for
>> dealing with lower Manhattan.
>>
>> Previous posters on this thread indicated that the proposal to get rid of
>> Cs-137 self-shielded irradiators was ridiculous.  I wanted to point out
>> that it wasn't the uninformed, but rather HPs that have focussed 
>> attention
>> on these devices.  If there is blame to distribute, at least some of it
>> needs to be directed at our own profession.  A little more security for
>> the
>> units might be appropriate, if it can be done without impinging on the
>> vital mission that they serve.
>>
>> In my opinion, the risk of Graft v. Host Disease as a result of
>> transfusing
>> unirradiated blood products far outweighs the risk of economic collapse
>> should several blocks of lower Manhattan be contaminated with Cs-137.
>> Unless an equally effective alternative technology is readily available 
>> to
>> replace these units, to propose their removal from service is reckless.
>>
>>
>> Clayton J. Bradt
>> Assistant Bureau Director
>> BERP
>> NYS Dept. of Health
>> 518-402-7578
>>
>>
>>
>>             Cindy Bloom
>>             <radbloom at comcast
>>             .net>                                                      To
>>                                       Clayton J Bradt
>>             10/17/2007 01:09          <cjb01 at health.state.ny.us>,
>>             PM                        radsafe at radlab.nl
>>                                                                        cc
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>>                                                                   Subject
>>                                       Re: [ RadSafe ] Re: Panel wants
>>                                       tighter radiation  security
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>>
>> Clayton,
>>
>> I'm confused.  The original post stated:
>>      "The report comes from the Defense Science Board, a panel of retired
>>      military and CIA officials and defense industry experts who offer 
>> the
>>      Pentagon possible solutions to actual and potential national 
>> security
>>      problems. It is expected to be released late this year."
>> The above description doesn't really sound like DOE HPs.  Authors names 
>> do
>> not appear to be available because the report is not yet released, so I
>> guess time will tell who has written the opinions (if names are included
>> in
>> the report - names were not readily available on the Board's web site).
>>
>> Also, it was difficult for me to glean your opinion regarding continued
>> use
>> of Cs-137 irradiators from your note, which  seems to be dependent on 
>> your
>> (undisclosed) regard for DOE HPs.
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> At 02:03 PM 10/15/2007 -0400, Clayton J Bradt wrote:
>>
>>      The people leading the charge against Cs-137 self-shielded
>>      irradiators are
>>      not ignorant bureaucrats and politicians: they're health physicists
>>      working
>>      for DOE.
>>
>>      Clayton J. Bradt
>>      Assistant Bureau Director
>>      BERP
>>      NYS Dept. of Health
>>      518-402-7578
>>
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