[ RadSafe ] Wag the dog

John Jacobus crispy_bird at yahoo.com
Sun Feb 10 14:15:53 CST 2008

In times of war, old men send young men to die.  And who will be held accountable?
  -- John

Mitchell Davis <mitchrn at suddenlink.net> wrote:
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  From: John Jacobus [mailto:crispy_bird at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:18 PM
To: Mitchell Davis; 'Steven Dapra'; 'RADSAFE'
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Wag the dog


    As a retired Navy officer and sometimes "liberal," I find your comments typical of one who does not appreciate our freedom to speak and disagree with the administration.  I was opposed to the invasion of Iraq from the beginning. However, the incompetance of our intelligence services and the mind-set to show the world we can do whatever we want has resulted in an unstable Middle East, great propaganda for radical terrorist, American dead and wounded, the depletion of military resources that will take years to replace, a ballooning national debt, and a profound distrust of our government by our own public. (I guess I am also a traitor, but certainly do not love my country any less than you.)


    I suggest that if you feel so strongly about our "mission" in Iraq, that you volunteer to go and support our troops in-country.



Mitchell Davis <mitchrn at suddenlink.net> wrote:


Let me start by saying I am damn proud to have served my country and I will
damn well wave it around as I see fit. You bleeding heart liberals that
hold the armed forces in contempt, sir (and I use that term lightly), are
quite despicable. For any American to take the name of the armed forces of
this great country in vain in just plain heresy. Were it not for them, you
would not have the right to spew your vile remarks.

I will not lower myself to trading barbs with you over Iraq. Every one of
your hero Dem Senators agreed with the same intelligence seen by the
President. My remarks were the assertion we, the United States of America,
obtain permission from the most corrupt body on the face of the earth (UN)
before taking actions to protect our interests is ludicrous. For the idiot
poet (Franz) or you for that matter to suggest that the US has taken or
caused more deaths in 5 years than Saddam did in 25 yrs is well...treason.

As far as foreign aid...I make no distinctions as to the country of origin
of previously mentioned remarks. You criticize...you get cut off!! So
don't let your disdain for Egypt and Israel enter the debate.

As far as Franz being an asset to RadSafe, I'll let the RadSafe masses
decide that. Perhaps if he is so special to you the two of you should move
in together. Being a Registered Nurse, I do however, suggest you both
practice safe sex.

Mitchell Davis, RN, RRPT
Midland, Texas

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On Behalf
Of Steven Dapra
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:42 PM
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Wag the dog

Feb. 6

What a bunch of hooey. Comments interspersed.

Steven Dapra

At 06:06 PM 2/6/08 -0600, Mitchell Davis wrote:
>Franz...on this one I can not be silent...
>You must have lost your mind. First, FOX News provides the only fair and
>balanced (yes...their slogan but yet true) evaluation of American news and
>politics than any other news outlet in America. If you want the
>truth...watch it. Considering I am not under educated and rarely
>I take immediate offence to your comment since it is on my TV all day. CNN
>close to the Bush administration? That's almost the stupidest thing I have
>EVER heard you say (notice I said "almost"). They are so anti-Bush that
>even their owner admits it.

I can't comment on Fox News or CNN, because I don't watch them.

>The United States of America needs no ones permission or "blessing" to
>protect it's interests or citizens. We are the most powerful and
>nation in the world and have rescued more ass than Miami Vice. For you and
>your ilk to suggest that we receive the blessing of a peon nation such as
>yours to protect ourselves or the things our gov't deems important is pure
>insanity and actually quite insulting. If it were not for the US, the
>French would be speaking German and you would be wearing knee high black
>boots, a nice gray suit with a fancy insignia on the upper sleeve shouting
>with your arm in the air to a lunatic wearing the same outfit. Actually
>Franz, if I had it my way, the next country that criticized the US for
>anything, I would immediately cut off ALL funding of any nature for a
>of one year. No money...no food...no oil...no cars...no internet...no
>condoms. NOT A DAMN THING for a period of one year. If they did it
>again...five years. Third strike and you're out...no aid of any kind
>...EVER. Think you would like that Franz?

Invading Iraq did not protect US interests, nor did it protect US 
citizens. It has killed over 3000 US citizens though. We may be the most 
powerful nation, however might does not make right. Your claim that the 
French would be speaking German is rubbish and shows your resounding 
ignorance about World War II. After Stalingrad Hitler was beaten, and both 
the Germans and the French might have ended up speaking Russian. That 
probably would have done nothing to upset the disciples of FDR; nor would 
it have upset any of the sappy knee-jerk liberals who so plagued this 
country in the 1960s and 1970s.

I agree with you about cutting off foreign aid, but why not be 
consistent and cut off *all* foreign aid? You can start with cutting off 
Egypt and Israel. I doubt that Austria receives much US foreign aid, and 
if it doesn't Austrians probably wouldn't care if their (possibly) 
non-existent foreign aid came to an end.

>You really should review your history Franz. Because if it were not for
>United States of America (which I served proudly for 8 yrs), you and your
>disgusting ilk would not exist. Hey...that might not be such a bad thing.

Review your own history. I think Franz is an asset to RADSAFE, 
even when I don't like what he says. Finally, you are not the only one who 
has been in the service, so quit waving it around like it makes you special 
or important.

Steven Dapra

>Mitchell Davis, RN, RRPT
>Midland, Texas

[edit messages from Franz Schonhofer and Rick Urban]

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