[ RadSafe ] New Your City Council meets on detectors

Tue Jan 29 17:41:54 CST 2008

Hi, Franz.  

Sadly, I don't think that "paranoia" actually applies in this case, as it may well be that they are out to get you.  On the bright side, I think they are out to get pretty much everyone, so while you may be paranoid you are not alone.

As I read the proposed law, you probably would be OK with your dose rate meter, provided you didn't use it with the City of New York, probably including the airspace above.  You would definitely be OK if you claimed you were transporting the instrument to sell it, as the law exempts instruments possessed for sale, but not those possessed by other government agencies.  

On the other hand, I don't know that I would count on a law enforcement officer being that deeply interested in parsing out the fine points of this particular law (hopefully they will also not be interested in enforcing it at all).  I think if I was traveling with an instrument and I was questioned about it I say it was a old style Ipod. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Franz Schönhofer [mailto:franz.schoenhofer at chello.at] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:31 PM
To: Brennan, Mike (DOH); radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: AW: [ RadSafe ] New Your City Council meets on detectors

Mike,

Thank you for this contribution. When the topic first came up on RADSAFE I intended to comment, but then I thought I do not want to cause Syd Levine unnecessary work to copy his usual comment that I am anti-US and send it again....... But now I cannot resist any more. 

I do not know who Peter Vallone is and for me it is not really clear, whether the last sentence of the article "After all, if you let research scientists and community groups do their jobs, the terrorists will have already won." is an original citation of Peter Vallone or it is a cynical comment by the journalist who wrote the article.

The problem I face and which I originally intended to post on RADSAFE is the
following: 

On my travel I usually take a small and simple doserate meter with me.
Especially on my last trip to the Southwest where I was going to visit the Trinity Site and former as well as operating uranium mines and uranium ore processing plants. And sure it is funny to see the doserate rising when the plane is climbing. I always use the (of course not accurate) doserates to demonstrate, that people use airplanes extensively, but are afraid of the lowest pSv from a nuclear power plant. On most of my visits to the USA I head directly to the Southwest via Atlanta, which is the easiest connection from Austria. But what to do in case I would travel via New York and such a legislation would be in force? Would I be searched for such instruments and if my doserate meter would be found I would go to jail or face some other heavy punishment? Anybody able to explain what I would have to do if this legislation was in force?

I have only one final word for comment: "Paranoia". Syd, now you can copy your standard message to RADSAFE about me. 

Best regards to all, especially those who had been able to keep a sense of humor in these times so difficult for anything radioactive!

Franz

Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
MinRat i.R.
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Wien/Vienna
AUSTRIA

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] Im Auftrag von Brennan, Mike (DOH)
Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Jänner 2008 22:38
An: radsafe at radlab.nl
Betreff: [ RadSafe ] New Your City Council meets on detectors

As we discussed earlier:

 http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0803,thompson,78873,2.html?c=1#comments

>From the article:

>After an hour of this, poor Peter Vallone looked shell-shocked. He had
planned to fast-track this legislation-in fact, the law was supposed to have been voted on last week-but that was before the critics had heard about it.
As the opposition mounted, Vallone pulled the proposed legislation just before the meeting's end and agreed to give it a second look. "When I was first given a briefing only weeks ago, the potential problems did occur to me," he said in a later interview. "But the extent of the opposition, on such short notice, was a bit surprising." 

In other words, it although he recognized that it was a bad piece of legislation, he was willing to inflict it, as long as he didn't have to justify it personally.  

>But don't think Vallone has given up or anything. He and his colleagues
will try to accommodate all the concerns when they redraft the bill, he said, but one way or another, the cops are going to have this new power. "No one's going to be completely happy in the end," Vallone said, "but I think the police department gave some very impressive testimony on the stand, and also expressed a willingness to listen to concerns." 

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On Behalf Of Rainer.Facius at dlr.de
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 7:28 AM
To: mccartmj at michigan.gov; radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: AW: [ RadSafe ] Drug that may prevent radiation injury

1) DARPA is not known for funding bogus science.

2) The crux indeed is whether the antioxidant, radical scavenging activity will help in a post-exposure scenario, i.e., when most or all of the initial radicals are gone long ago.

Dr. Rainer Facius
German Aerospace Center
Institute of Aerospace Medicine
Linder Hoehe
51147 Koeln
GERMANY
Voice: +49 2203 601 3147 or 3150
FAX:   +49 2203 61970

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] Im Auftrag von Michael McCarty
Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Januar 2008 15:10
An: radsafe at radlab.nl
Betreff: [ RadSafe ] Drug that may prevent radiation injury

For your enlightenment, entertainment, and any discussion that occur:

http://www.media.rice.edu/media/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEW&ID=10512

Feds fund study of drug that may prevent radiation injury Defense department funds study of nanotube-based drug made at Rice

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