[ RadSafe ] Re: radiation and heart disease link - prevention!

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Hi Howard,

That would be Medical Physicists.  They start with knowing about "enough but not too much" dose; and a physiology and medicine perspective.  (Ros Yalow received the 1977 Nobel Prize for Physiology and Medicine :-).  Now-a-days physiology is greatly underappreciated.

Regards, Jim

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: howard long <hflong at pacbell.net> 

> John Johnson and all, 
> Who but HPs should guide (protect from overdose, yet prescribe optimum): 
> 1, low dose (~75 cGy) radiation treatment of local infections and bursitis 
> (Cuttler). 
> 2, even lower dose (1-10 cGy/yr) prolongation of life and health, indicated by 
> "ubiquitous" cellular, animal and epidemiologically studies. ( Bobby Scott). 
> 
> Radition (UV or ionizing) is "essential trace energy" (Cameron). 
> Hot skin warns of UV overdose. There is no similar early warning from ionizing 
> radiation. 
> Who but HPs should encourage benefit but avoid overdose from prolonged exposure, 
> as with radon in European spas, the Health Mine, Ramsar, Iran (up to ~200 
> cGy/yr), 
> U ore, thoriated rods in one's seat or KCl under the mattress, etc? 
> 
> Who is studying the individual variation in response to low dose (1-10 cGy/yr)? 
> In radiation oncology (high dose), some burn with same dose others do not. 
> Does benefit or harm vary also from low dose, (as with smoking, 
> asbestos exposure, "flu", etc)? 
> 
> Will HPs learn to protect from too little radiation, as nutritionists do 
> in correcting diet deficiencies? 
> 
> Howard Long 
> 
> ----- Original Message ---- 
> From: John R Johnson 
> To: howard long 
> Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl; Fred Dawson ; 
> srp-uk at yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 2:54:49 PM 
> Subject: Re: radiation and heart disease link - prevention! 
> 
> 
> Howard 
> 
> I don't understand you. 
> 
> What has "sitting on thoriated welding rods 3 hours a day" and "sunbathing an 
> hour a week" have to do with health physics or radiation protect? 
> 
> John 
> *************** 
> John R Johnson, PhD 
> CEO, IDIAS, Inc. 
> 4535 West 9th Ave 
> Vancouver, B. C. 
> V6R 2E2, Canada 
> idias at interchange.ubc.ca 
> 
> 
> 
> Original Message ----- 
> From: howard long 
> To: John Jacobus ; John R Johnson ; Fred Dawson ; srp-uk at yahoogroups.com 
> Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl 
> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 2:40 PM 
> Subject: radiation and heart disease link - prevention! 
> 
> 
> John, 
> Your persistent denigration of Cameron's work 
> does require correction to all Radsafe. 
> 
> NSWS revelation of amazing reduction in total mortality 
> (0.76 expected vs controls that eliminated healthy worker effect) 
> when >0.5 rem accumulated addition, MUST have included 
> reduction in heart disease (over 30% of total mortality). 
> 
> This small addition of 0.5 rem (rad, cSv etc) is less than 
> a whole body scan and about what I get from 
> sitting on thoriated welding rods 3 hours a day, and 
> even more convenient than my sunbathing an hour a week 
> for another healthful radiation supplement. 
> 
> I have a cc of Cameron's analysis for all who e-mail for it. 
> There was no more healthy worker effect than in the controls. 
> 
> Thank you for keeping HPs aware. 
> 
> Howard Long 
> 
> ----- Original Message ---- 
> From: John Jacobus 
> To: howard long ; John R Johnson ; 
> Fred Dawson ; srp-uk at yahoogroups.com 
> Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl 
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 9:42:22 AM 
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Scientists discover possible radiation and heart 
> disease link 
> 
> 
> Dr. Long, 
> Sorry to take so much time getting back to you and your conjecture, but the NSWS 
> did NOT report on heart disease. Also, you are again citing a epidemiological 
> study has been judged as being flawed. If you need to cherry-pick data, you 
> should at least use a credible study. 
> 
> That being said, please reply to me off list if you wish to continue this 
> discussion. 
> 
> howard long wrote: 
> Opposite - less CV mortality with more radiation - must be true in the 
> NShipyardWS 
> with just 0.76 total mortality rate in those with > extra 0.5 rem vs workers 
> otherwise identical, 
> as published by Cameron. 
> 
> Howard Long 
> 
> ----- Original Message ---- 
> From: John R Johnson 
> To: Fred Dawson ; srp-uk at yahoogroups.com 
> Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2008 10:39:38 AM 
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Scientists discover possible radiation and heart 
> disease link 
> 
> Fred 
> 
> There is a link between radiation and cardiovascular disease. See Darby et 
> al (BMJ Vol. 326, pp256-257, 2003) and our poster at the IRPA-11 meeting. 
> 
> John 
> *************** 
> John R Johnson, PhD 
> CEO, IDIAS, Inc. 
> 4535 West 9th Ave 
> 604-676-3556 
> Vancouver, B. C. 
> V6R 2E2, Canada 
> idias at interchange.ubc.ca 
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