[ RadSafe ] Re: More radiation, less heart disease (much of total) NSWS

John Jacobus crispy_bird at yahoo.com
Sat Mar 22 19:24:18 CDT 2008

Dr. Long,
  Please reply to me off list server about this quotation.   

howard long <hflong at pacbell.net> wrote:
  "The ubiquitous nature of the radiation response in cellular, animal and epidemiological studies 
  negates the healthy worker effect as an explanation for hormesis." BScott at lrri.org
  Howard Long

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From: John Jacobus <crispy_bird at yahoo.com>
To: howard long <hflong at pacbell.net>; John R Johnson <idias at interchange.ubc.ca>; Fred Dawson <fred-dawson at blueyonder.co.uk>; srp-uk at yahoogroups.com
Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:05:36 PM
Subject: Re: radiation and heart disease link - prevention!

  Dr. Long,
  I am not the one who originally questioned this study.  The fact that the unexposed workers had a higher cancer rate than the general population brings into question the validity of the study beyond the intent.  I can, and have, provided you with copies of the analysis of the study.  Unfortunately, your beliefs do not change the facts that this is not a reliable reference.  
  The fact that the workers "appear" to be healthier does not translate into lower risk of heart disease.  As a physician, I assume that you know that heart disease is not the only cause of death.  Your conjecture that the study " MUST have included reduction in heart disease" is clearly without proof or merit beyond your own spectulation.  
  Dr. Cameron was a well recognized physicist who gave much to the medical physics community.  Nevertheless, he was no epidemiologist.
  Again, if you wish to continue this discussion with me, please do so off-list.  We need to respect the wishes of those who do not what to again be bothered with this issue.
-- John
howard long <hflong at pacbell.net> wrote:
  Your persistent denigration of Cameron's work 
  does require correction to all Radsafe.
  NSWS revelation of amazing reduction in total mortality
   (0.76 expected vs controls that eliminated healthy worker effect)
  when  >0.5 rem accumulated addition, MUST have included 
  reduction in heart disease (over 30% of total mortality).
  This small addition of 0.5 rem (rad, cSv etc) is less than 
  a whole body scan and about what I get from 
  sitting on thoriated welding rods 3 hours a day, and
  even more convenient than my sunbathing an hour a week 
  for another healthful radiation supplement. 
  I have a cc of Cameron's analysis for all who e-mail for it.
   There was no more healthy worker effect than in the controls.
  Thank you for keeping HPs aware.
  Howard Long

"Part of human nature resents change, loves equilibrium, while another part welcomes novelty, loves the excitement of disequilibrium. There is no formula for the resolution of this tug-of-war, but it is obvious  that absolute surrender to either of them invites disaster."
-J. Bartlet Brebner 

-- John
John Jacobus, MS
Certified Health Physicist
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