AW: [ RadSafe ] Benefit/Harm from U.S. Army in Afghanistan

garyi at trinityphysics.com garyi at trinityphysics.com
Sun Nov 2 14:09:20 CST 2008


To disagree with someone politically, and fail to produce any comment better than "you Ugly 
American" or "you Lower Class American" shows only that one's political development was 
retarded sometime around kindergarten.

Stick to science, Franz.  You are just embarrassing yourself.

-Gary Isenhower


On 2 Nov 2008 at 19:30, Franz Schönhofer wrote:

From:           	Franz Schönhofer <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
To:             	<HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net>, "'Peter Bossew'" 
<peter.bossew at jrc.it>,
	"'Radsafe Message'" <radsafe at radlab.nl>
Subject:        	AW: [ RadSafe ] Benefit/Harm from U.S. Army in Afghanistan
Date sent:      	Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:30:15 +0100

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RADSAFERs,

I try to comment on Howard Longs political excursion from a context
including radioactivity and nuclear topics - they are involved indeed
and I hope that Marcel accepts this opinion. 

Reading Howard Longs bla-bla about "liberation, freedom, democracy,
net gain for the US, "prosperity" (for whom?)" is annoying and only
shows that he has not the slightest clue about the situation of
states, their infrastructure, the living conditions of their
inhabitants, diseases, poverty, risk for life etc. Etc. Howard Long is
a typical species called "The Ugly American", a term created to my
knowledge by Graham Greene in one of his books, where he gives an
excellent characterisation of this type of American set against the
background of the French war in Indochina. Needless to say that I have
during my many visits in the USA not encountered any of these "ugly
americans" personally, but judging from the press and its description
of US politicians and of course Howard Long I know, that they exist.
Needless to say that people I meet are usually not of the lowest
classes. But it was amazing during my visit to my beloved South West
last October, that most people I met at the cultural and outstanding
landscape sites started to complain about the then and still present
administration, without any provocation from my side. Here on RADSAFE
I read about proposals to attack China, Iran, Cuba and North Korea.
Unbelievable - shame on you!

I am not going to react on the "benefits" for the USA, but I have
noticed that a so called "radiological threat" has been used
extensively by the US administration to spread fear among US citizens
and to gain support for the most suppressive actions. All those
nonsensical actions and the waste of money for "surveillance" (which
actually has another purpose!!!!), which are obviously there only to
scare people and to put them into a state of insecurity. Only today
morning in Rabat, the capital of Marocco they took away at the airport
from me a very expensive tiny scissor for nails, about three
centimeters long without handle. 

The possible consequences of a "dirty bomb" have been discussed
extensively on RADSAFE and except some hardliners agreed that the
damage of this would be mostly the conventional explosive - but still
we read on RADSAFE about the terrible threat of dispersion of some
radionuclides like Co-60 or iridium. 

Using this irrational fear mongering with radionuclides or nuclear
material, combined with ultra-nationalistic ideas is deeply
despicable. I hope I made myself clear Mr. Howard Long.

Best regards,

Franz

Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
MinRat i.R.
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Wien/Vienna
AUSTRIA


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] Im
Auftrag von HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober
2008 17:19 An: Peter Bossew; Radsafe Message Betreff: Re: [ RadSafe ]
Benefit/Harm from U.S. Army in Afghanistan

Radsafe pertinence of this topic is risk of radioactive attack on USA,
- need for HP preparation..

 I respond to Peter and Steven (and the U Tube sarcastic fiction) with
gratitude that threatened attacks on USA have not occurred following
so far successful (incomplete) Afghan Liberation and Iraqi Freedom -
wars designed primarily to destroy alQaeda operations, but also hoping
that democracy there will give freedom, trade, prosperity -
disincentive to attack us.

Not yet as feasible are the liberation (and destruction of USA or
Europe attack sources) in China, Iran, Cuba and N Korea. Hopefully,
commerce self-interest in China (now dependent on USA prosperity) will
effectively dampen imposition of failed Marxism-Maoism.  

USA carbon fuels are as plentiful as in the Middle east, but
politically restricted by fears that should go away (glaciers now
enlarge).  Big Oil (most monopolistic where government-owned) will
have less influence with the 45 nuclear plants encouraged by the more
free-market Presidential campaign.

Howard Long


-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Peter Bossew <peter.bossew at jrc.it> 

> HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net wrote: 
> 
> (...) 
> 
> > The losses of any war should be balanced by anyone knowledgable in
> > risk 
> management against the gains. The Iraq and Afghan wars have very
> great net
gain. 
> > 
> 
> Yes. Indeed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptzml1qQvZE 
> 
> Also Iran would make quite a bit of "great net gain" wouldn't it. So
> would Venezuela.- I am confident you will find compelling
> ideological reasons for realizing those great net gains. Hopefully
> these nations are more knowledgeable in risk management than these
> uneducated Iraqis, and will be able to balance their losses against
> your gains. 
> 
> 
> pb 
> 
> -- 
> 
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