AW: [ RadSafe ] NPT, Reprocessing & Mining Issues

Thu Oct 2 17:22:30 CDT 2008

Thanks, Dan, for this concise and precise analysis of the problems
associated with a complete fuel cycle. I have always said, also on RADSAFE,
and I still say it, that nuclear power (as well as radiation protection) is
not a matter of science, but of public opinion (with all the possible
manipulations), of politics and of economy. As Rainer pointed out, it does
not help, if a politician like Angela Merkel is pro-nuclear - she and her
party want to be reelected like any other politician and so they have to act
accordingly. 

The low uranium prize was prohibitive for reprocessing, but it also resulted
in the closing of so many mines. I noticed last year in October in Colorado,
that many mines are reopened, because of the boom of the uranium prize. This
all had been very favourable for the anti-nuclear and green movements and
was  n o t  caused by their protests, marches and demonstration, but simply
of economical considerations. I remember very well that in the 70's in
Europe all actions of the antinuclear movement was directed towards
interrupting the nuclear fuel cycle! Think about the cancellation of the
building of the nuclear reprocessing plant in Wackersdorf, Bavaria, the
blocking of ports for fuel delivery or shipping of used fuel elements
(Japan) and until recently the blocking of railways and roads for the
shipping of nuclear waste, for instance in Germany and France, causing
material damage and even death of radicals.

Concerning Paris there might be bad weather with a lot of rain at this time
of the year, but there might be sunny days with beautiful coloured trees -
as it is all over Europe. Hope you encounter the sunny days!

Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
MinRat i.R.
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Wien/Vienna
AUSTRIA

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] Im Auftrag
von Dan W McCarn
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 02. Oktober 2008 23:27
An: 'Perrero, Daren'; radsafe at radlab.nl
Cc: 'Peterson, Ken'
Betreff: [ RadSafe ] NPT, Reprocessing & Mining Issues

Dear Daren:

Yes, that is my recollection as well.  I think that Carter's ban on
reprocessing was intended to send a signal to the rest of the world
regarding the NPT and non-proliferation, but also that the cost of a full
nuclear fuel cycle (as apposed to once-through) did not make it an
economically attractive possibility. Recall also that U-Nat (U3O8) peaked at
$40 / lb U3O8 which was considered almost breakeven for a full fuel cycle.
Since the price of U-Nat fell to about $7.50 / lb U3O8 shortly after 1980,
there was no chance in the 80s or 90s through 2003 to reconsider the
economics of a full fuel cycle.  Perhaps in light of the current long-term
contract price of U3O8 is now about $80 / lb, some economic consideration
will be again given to reprocessing fuel.

Inventory, Licensing & Politics:
An argument can be perhaps made that the artificial scarcity of uranium
makes reprocessing a viable possibility in the near future.  Given the
depleted state of inventories, by artificial scarcity, I mean that the
licensing and permitting times for new mining operations have been
unreasonably long lately; permitting a single exploration well this summer
in Mexico took over 3 months.  This issue has been, in part, reflected by
the 6th US Appeals Court this summer regarding NRC's ability to issue a
uranium mining license, but has a political backdrop that should make
potential investors uneasy at the long projected times until production
(positive cash flow) can reasonably be achieved.  State officials, however,
seem to have taken advantage of the uncertainty by delaying very basic and
normal aspects of prospection.  Some of you may recall the 6th Appeals Court
decision regarding the NRC and the State of Utah about an interim storage
facility.  The court then considered Utah's requirements excessive and that
the NRC had full authority to license and regulate.

State officials have also delayed energy exploration in other sectors as
well including oil shale by tying-up exploration permits.

Since fuel destined for Yucca Mountain can still be safely retrieved for the
next 50+ years or more, reprocessing is still a viable option when the
economics become favorable.

Dan ii

Dan W McCarn 

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On Behalf
Of Perrero, Daren
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 2:59 PM
To: radsafe at radlab.nl
Cc: Peterson, Ken
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] RE: SCIENTIST PRESIDENT

Wasn't it during Carter's administration that, via the SALT talks, his
directive was issued that there would be no reprocessing of nuclear
fuel?

Daren Perrero
The opinions expressed are mine, all mine....
I'm with the government, I'm here to help you.
Daren.Perrero(a)Illinois.gov

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On
Behalf Of Edmond Baratta
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 2:28 PM
To: Peterson, Ken; radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] RE: SCIENTIST PRESIDENT

I think Jimmy was a Nuclear Engineer.

Ed Baratta

edmond0033 at comcast.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peterson, Ken" <KPeterson at MarinetteMarine.com>
To: <radsafe at radlab.nl>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:56 AM
Subject: [ RadSafe ] RE: SCIENTIST PRESIDENT

I don't think that is the answer:  Jimmy Carter was a physicist....

And so is Andrea Merkel, and while I consider her an order of magnitude 
brighter than either Presidential Candidate (and 10 orders of magnitude 
brighter than either VP), I don't know if you can call the current state
of 
Germany Nirvana - except maybe during Oktoberfest....

Ken Peterson
LCS Sustainment
Marinette Marine Corp.
1600 Ely St.
Marinette, WI 54143
715-735-9341

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 06:07:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sam Iverstine <sam_iverstine at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] [RadSafe]Mission to Mars---Fission Propulsion
To: radsafe at radlab.nl
Message-ID: <3389.91310.qm at web50108.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Space exploration was the main impetus that got myself and many other 
scientists interested in science [I actually thought becoming a health 
physicist with nuclear navy background would qualifiy me to do work on 
spacecraft]. Even if the space exploration challenge is pie in the sky,
it 
still motivates me to this day to do better science. Perhaps
over-extended 
space exploration will motivate a generation of scientists and the US
will 
one day have a scientist president (vs. lawyer) and we will all achive 
nirvanna and have Plato's philosopher-king as our leader.

Cheers!

Sam Iverstine, MS, CHP

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