[ RadSafe ] AW: Global Warming BEANO

Wed Dec 9 15:14:42 CST 2009

Dear Richard and RADSAFErs, Thanks for the enlightment, but I think that
being at RADSAFE should not imply that we have to log in to other or even
several other internet adresses to understand a message. I do not have the
time for it.

Best regards,

Franz

Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
MinRat i.R.
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Wien/Vienna
AUSTRIA

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Richard D. Urban Jr. [mailto:radmax at earthlink.net] 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 09. Dezember 2009 21:56
An: Franz Schönhofer
Betreff: Re: Global Warming BEANO

Since it appears no one has yet answered your question...

http://www.beanogas.com/

Appologies if this has already been brought to your attention

radmax

-----Original Message-----
>From: Franz Schönhofer <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
>Sent: Dec 9, 2009 12:19 PM
>To: "'Riely, Brian P.'" <brian.riely at ngc.com>, "'Dixon, John E.
(CDC/CCEHIP/NCEH)'" <gyf7 at cdc.gov>, 'Jim Hardeman'
<Jim.Hardeman at dnr.state.ga.us>, radsafe at radlab.nl
>Subject: AW: [ RadSafe ] Re: Global Warming
>
>Dear Brian,
>
>Thanks for you answer and clarification. Your statement was not at all
>clear. Having had English lessions since the age of 10 in school (I am now
>65!), having dealt with English scientific literature, conferences held in
>English (are there any other internationals anymore?) for many decades,
>published dozens of papers in English and presented even more and
>participated in research projects also of international organisations,
>having spent long time in Great Britain and even more in the USA, I thought
>I had an acceptable command of English. 
>
>I know about "soda", which has shifted from carbonated water to carbonated
>drinks. I could not relate this expression to the plans to inject CO2 not
>only into water but into deep geological deposits. I had no idea what
"BENO"
>would be and I think that most of other RADSAFErs would not know. I wonder
>whether this would work for cattle and moreover in humans where it should
>prevent release of mercaptanes and not CO2 or methan - those cannot be
>detected by their smell.  
>
>You can be sure that I know that humans and all creatures breathing emit
>CO2. I assure that I will not stop breathing.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Franz
>
>Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
>MinRat i.R.
>Habicherg. 31/7
>A-1160 Wien/Vienna
>AUSTRIA
>
>
>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: Riely, Brian P. [mailto:brian.riely at ngc.com] 
>Gesendet: Mittwoch, 09. Dezember 2009 17:51
>An: Franz Schönhofer; Dixon, John E. (CDC/CCEHIP/NCEH); Jim Hardeman;
>radsafe at radlab.nl
>Betreff: RE: [ RadSafe ] Re: Global Warming
>
>Franz
>
>I thought the statement below was very clear.
>
>Soda referred to the process of injecting CO2 into water
>BENO is used to prevent flatulence, which releases gases such as CO2 and
>methane.
>When we breath we release CO2
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On
Behalf
>Of Franz Schönhofer
>Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:18 AM
>To: 'Dixon, John E. (CDC/CCEHIP/NCEH)'; 'Jim Hardeman'; radsafe at radlab.nl
>Subject: AW: [ RadSafe ] Re: Global Warming
>
>This is an international list. I have refrained from commenting, because I
>simply do not regard myself competent in this field (though I have an
>opinion)- unfortunately dozens of other clearly incompetents had the
>impression that they were competent - I except those who made reasonable
and
>common sense arguments. But at an international list one cannot expect that
>something like your "message" can be understood - it sounds like brabbling
>of a drunk person. I hope it is not and that you will forward a
>"translation" into English or if you prefer to American English. 
>
>Best regards,
>
>Franz
>
>Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
>MinRat i.R.
>Habicherg. 31/7
>A-1160 Wien/Vienna
>AUSTRIA
>
>
>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] Im
Auftrag
>von Dixon, John E. (CDC/CCEHIP/NCEH)
>Gesendet: Mittwoch, 09. Dezember 2009 16:55
>An: Jim Hardeman; radsafe at radlab.nl
>Betreff: RE: [ RadSafe ] Re: Global Warming
>
>Give up the soda and please take your BEANO...I guess the powers that be
>will have the fine us all for breathing... 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On
Behalf
>Of Jim Hardeman
>Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 7:09 PM
>To: 'radsafe at radlab.nl'
>Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Re: Global Warming
>
>Sandy et al. --
> 
>It has yet to be demonstrated to my satisfaction that carbon dioxide meets
>the definition of "pollutant".
> 
>Jim Hardeman
>jim.hardeman at dnr.state.ga.us 
>
>>>> "Perle, Sandy" <SPerle at mirion.com> 12/6/2009 18:33 >>>
>Ed,
>
>All true. My point is simply that regardless of what these individuals say,
>we've known for years that pollutants spewed out into the environment is
>harmful. There have been efforts to reduce auto emissions for decades in
>areas of CA and other states, well before it became popular to discuss
>global warming. The reason that was the case, and is still the case, is
>because pollutants harm individuals. The only difference now is the these
>same pollutants may be accelerating the effect on the environment, thus,
>global warming. While these individuals may promote and in some cases
>benefit from the global warming debate, and may not be in favor of nuclear
>power, that doesn't diminish the fact that pollutants damage the
environment
>and people, and animals for that matter, and we should be doing something
>about that, and not attack any effort because of what some politician or
>other persons may say about global warming, whichever side of the argument
>that are on.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>Sander C. Perle
>President
>Mirion Technologies
>Dosimetry Services Division
>2652 McGaw Avenue
>Irvine, CA 92614
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>
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>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Edmond Baratta [mailto:edmond0033 at comcast.net]
>Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 3:23 PM
>To: Perle, Sandy; radsafe at radlab.nl
>Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Re: Global Warming
>
>Sander
>
>What you say may be true.  However, it seems that when the 'esteem' PM
Brown
>of the UK calls those who oppose his 'religion' and are called like the
>'flat-earthers' and other nasty names.  Also, the Senator from CA
>(Boxer)
>calls those revealing the E-Mails (also bad name) of the pseudo scientist
>caught 'fixing' the data, one wonders what is really going on.  Gore has
>made hundreds of millions of dollars on this 'religion', He also received
>the Nobel Prize (lost some luster on the Peace Prizes latest awarder) and
an
>Oscar for a made up movie.   None of them are for Nuclear Power, which
>would
>not contribute to pollution, Carbon Dioxide or other.
>
>Ed Baratta
>
>edmond0033 at comcast.net
>--------------------------------------------------
>From: "Perle, Sandy" <SPerle at mirion.com>
>Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 11:21 AM
>To: <radsafe at radlab.nl>
>Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Re: Global Warming
>
>> It is a fact that we are seeing the effects of global warming. They
>are
>> real and I can't believe that anyone would not recognize there are 
>> problems in the environment and living things. The question as I see
>it is
>> how much of this is due to man-made or natural causes. All of it could
>be
>> blamed on natural evolution through time. We've had the ice age and
>we've
>> seen other naturally occurring events through history. I also believe
>that
>> we humans are putting a lot of pollutants into the environment.
>Whether or
>> not this causes global warming, to whatever degree, isn't the issue in
>my
>> mind. What is the issue is whether or not these pollutants are good
>for
>> mankind or not. I don't believe they are. I also agree that
>significant
>> extreme measures should not be initiated without more evidence that we 
>> need to take that measure. However, I do believe that we should take 
>> moderate measures as appropriate. This is not an all or nothing
>situation.
>> This is simply the logical process that should be followed. An analogy 
>> would be taking medical supplements to prevent or minimize the effect
>of
>> some illness or potential disease. In many case we don't have all the 
>> evidence whether or not there is a beneficial effect, yet we don't
>simply
>> throw away the supplement since there is 100% proof of benefit. It's 
>> simply a matter of using common sense and logic in the decision making 
>> process. Therefore, we should take appropriate steps to minimize the 
>> effects of the causative factors and where there is more evidence that
>is
>> sound and can be supported, more extensive measures could be
>initiated.
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>> Sander C. Perle
>> President
>> Mirion Technologies
>> Dosimetry Services Division
>> 2652 McGaw Avenue
>> Irvine, CA 92614
>> +1 (949) 296-2306 (Office)
>> +1 (949) 296-1144 (Fax)
>>
>> Mirion Technologies: http://www.mirion.com/
>>
>>
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