AW: [ RadSafe ] Mobile phone studies in Vienna (translated by Babelfish)

Tue Jul 7 10:47:08 CDT 2009

I believe that the original request was for a translation of the web 
page/article.  If the request has been fulfilled then a public posting 
might be appropriate for those such as me that was satisfied getting the 
tenor of the argument from Babelfish.

Dan W McCarn wrote:
> Dear Chris:
> 
> Yikes! Having lived in Austria for 12 years and spoken German for 30, I have
> to smile when I see such tortuous automated translations.  You are exactly
> correct!
> 
> Dan ii
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On Behalf
> Of chris.hofmeyr at webmail.co.za
> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 16:42
> To: Franz Schönhofer
> Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl
> Subject: Re: AW: [ RadSafe ] Mobile phone studies in Vienna (translated by
> Babelfish)
> 
> Hi!
> German happens to be a very idiomatic language, so a very literal mind
> like a translation program is bound to make a hash worth a chuckle.  Add
> to that a kind of dialect which I would call Mirrorese, which apparently
> appeals to 'intellectuals', and the translation becomes thoroughly
> knotted! I doubt whether it is intelligible to someone without some
> knowledge of German.
> Regards
> 
> chris.hofmeyr at webmail.co.za
> 
> 
>> Dear Doug and RADSAFErs,
>>
>> Doug, thank you for your hints regarding pdf-file. Thank you also for
>> providing this Babelfish translation because i caused me a smile and the
>> security that humans cannot yet be replaced in some fields by computers!
>>
>> I have a very serious question to the English speaking RADSAFErs: Were you
>> able to understand from the translation the content of the article?
>> etc.
> 
>> Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
>> MinRat i.R.
>> Habicherg. 31/7
>> A-1160 Wien/Vienna
>> AUSTRIA
>>
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] Im
>> Auftrag
>> von Doug Huffman
>> Gesendet: Montag, 29. Juni 2009 16:06
>> An: Bjorn Cedervall
>> Cc: Dutch Radsafers
>> Betreff: [ RadSafe ] Mobile phone studies in Vienna (translated by
>> Babelfish)
>>
>> Portable radio: Mauschelei around Mogelstudien
>>
>> The scandal over presumed falsified portable radio studies at the
>> medical University of Vienna (MIRROR 35/2008) finds to no end. How
>> thoroughly the processing failed, show minutes of an internal meeting,
>> which are present the MIRROR. It loads both the rector and the
>> dreiköpfigen „ ethics advice “ the university, which in the thing should
>> determine. Under suspicion stood a row of studies, which had excited
>> world-wide attention. Allegedly Viennese had found researchers out
>> around the work physician Hugo Ruediger that the radio waves damage
>> human cell preparations of mobile phones. In truth a Laborantin had
>> obviously simply invented the data. „ all eight studies are based to
>> that on data, those not by measurements of genuine cells to have
>> developed can “, do not judge of Bremen biologist Alexander Lerchl,
>> member of the German radiation protection commission. Lerchl, which had
>> uncovered the case, sent the Viennese investigators besides a file, in
>> which the authors of the study had left inadvertently traitorous traces;
>> from this went
>> out, as they had suitably counted themselves their data. Although the
>> proof situation was crushing, the advice offered according to minutes of
>> the council meeting of the 24.Juli 2008 one „ amicable agreement to the
>> colleague Ruediger “, around its call „ inadequately not to damage “: He
>> may withdraw one of the eight with difficulty suspicious studies – and
>> even these only for formal reasons. In response the ethics advice
>> promised to let the falsification reproach be based on itself and not to
>> touch the remaining seven studies. Spicy detail: The rector Wolfgang
>> contactor agreed occupied, with the bent trade, like minutes. In
>> addition it fits that the university did not hand the clearing-up over
>> of the reproaches, as in such cases usual, to independent experts from
>> outside. When consultant came calculated the Viennese psychologist
>> Michael Kundi to the course, a well-known portable radio critic, who
>> found to expose also little at the work its colleague to Ruediger.
>> Rector contactor does not object, another committee further proofs have
>> found could. From its view it gave also no amicable agreement; he spoke
>> suspicion after the meeting publicly of one „ on heavy scientific
>> failure “. Its estimate helped however nothing: Until today no study
>> withdrawn – not even those, on which the Mauschler had first agreed. And
>> Hugo Ruediger quotes already again publicly from the inkriminierten
>> findings, as if nothing would have happened.
>> Source: Der Spiegel 26/2009
>>
>> Bjorn Cedervall wrote:
>>> http://www.fmk.at/content.php?id=249&cb=256_1320
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It would be valuable if someone could summarize the essentials in
>>> English
>> - or just point at an alternative link with the story in English.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bjorn Cedervall    bcradsafers at hotmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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