[ RadSafe ] NET iquette

Tue Aug 10 09:49:48 CDT 2010

I will only speak for myself on this topic. I do believe some people abuse their employer's time by spending what seems to be hours a day on RADSAFE, but for me, I do this selectively with my employer's blessing, because we are always trying to learn new things, and new things do come up often on RADSAFE. I am involved in Outreach and training and want to be as up to speed on current issues and radiation topics as I can be. Sometimes I do have to sift through the bickering that occurs, but once I get past that, I get the benefit of a lot of ideas and opinions from very smart people that help me do my job a little better.
To state that my opinion is not necessarily that of my employer seems a very appropriate statement to make. I don't ask my agency's opinion before expressing my own.

Al Conklin
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-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Franz Schönhofer
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:28 AM
To: 'Jean-Francois, Stephane'; 'Radsafe'
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] NET iquette

Jean-Francois,

This is not only your opinion alone, at least I share it....

I wonder, why people post from their employers servers. Do they have so much
spare time during working hours to deal with RADSAFE? Then I fully
understand that employers forbid this "pasttime". Using the employers server
would at least for me imply that the employer is d'accord with the opinion.
To write a very weak caveat at the end of the message (Might not be the
opinion of my employer....) is ridiculous. 

There is a very simple solution to this question: Why do the posters not use
their private e-mail in their sparetime? Do they use their DOE etc adresses
to impress people on RADSAFE? I am not impressed. Can't they afford a
private internet connection? Poor US-Americans! I post to RADSAFE
exclusively during my free time (being retired) and at my own costs. 

Food for thought!

Franz

Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
MinRat i.R.
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Wien/Vienna
AUSTRIA

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] Im Auftrag von Jean-Francois,
Stephane
Gesendet: Montag, 09. August 2010 15:11
An: Radsafe
Betreff: Re: [ RadSafe ] NET iquette

The whole deal about identifying oneself is not related to competency or
credential, it is really linked to the etiquette or lack of it on certain
discussion servers. Some employers does not even allow participation to such
list for evident publicity or image reasons, as employees may get carried
away. That being said, it is easy to get carried away if you don't properly
identify yourself. Having an email is not a proper identification.

Now, about emails, it may simply be noted that a gmail, hotmail or live.com
adresses carry less weight then a US.org, a DOD or a IAEA address. The
latest may be CNN or FoxNews material so Radsafers from key organizations
are simply careful in what they write, this is a very good side effect of
proper identification or credential. 

But no matter the address, if the content is in link with radiation safety,
health physics and even political issues around these topics, I, personnaly,
am glad to read and many time, learn from the posting.  I will simply use
caution or use my delete button, if the signature is only Joe, or the
address is ''antiNuke334'' ... Everyone on this list have a delete button, I
am sure. You can even use a program to systematically delete senders....

My opinion only.

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-----Message d'origine-----
De : radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] De la part de parthasarathy k s
Envoyé : 8 août 2010 22:12
À : Perle, Sandy; Franz Schönhofer; Joseph Alvarez; Radsafe
Objet : Re: [ RadSafe ] U.S. Inks Nuclear Reprocessing Deal With India
thissubject was not covered in most of the messages!

All radsafers,

Last nine messages did not deal with "US inks Nuclear Reprocessing Deal with

India", the "Subject" of the messages. The message is more important than
who 
wrote it. After a few messages in the list you tend to realize who is likely
to 
contribute! No offence meant!

 I carefully looked for some views of the list members on the US-India
deal.This 
is particularly because of my India connection and also because I knew
closely 
the early developments which led to the Indo-US civil nuclear cooperation 
agreement. The article I wrote for the Press Trust of India gives an idea
about 
some of these developments;

http://ksparth.blogspot.com/2007/04/india-us-nuclear-issue_764.html

K.S.Parthasarathy
(Formerly Secretary, Atomic Energy Regulatory Board)
Raja Ramanna Fellow

________________________________
From: "Perle, Sandy" <SPerle at mirion.com>
To: Franz Schönhofer <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>; Joseph Alvarez 
<jalvabeta at gmail.com>; Radsafe <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
Sent: Mon, 9 August, 2010 6:26:46
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] U.S. Inks Nuclear Reprocessing Deal With India

I've known Joe Alvarez for many years and he is extremely technically
competent 
and his opinions and comments are appropriate for consideration here on
Radsafe 
as well as any other forum he posts to. Joe was also on the Health Physics 
Society Board of Directors and was my liaison to the Board as I was the
Chair, 
Health Physics Standards Committee (which I am still Chair going into my 3rd

three year term). Joe did note that his affiliation was included in his
E-Mail 
posting, and even if it were not, I agree with Jeff that with the many
personal 
smart phones used for responding to posts, it is not always convenient to 
include one's entire signature information. When I respond or post from my 
smartphone, just my name is included. Where possible, one's affiliation is
of 
interest, but it's the comments that count and not necessarily the
affiliation 
that is important. Having just had surgery for a detached retina three days
ago, 
and I'm typing with one eye closed, I'll stop my comments here, before I 
aggravate the condition even more.

Regards,

Sandy
____________________
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Mirion Technologies
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Irvine, CA 92614

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On Aug 8, 2010, at 2:38 PM, Franz Schönhofer wrote:

> You are kidding - I am polite, not using some other probably more
> Appropriate expressions. An email address is no identification -how should
> it, since it can be chosen freely? Though being not at all a professional
at
> the Internet I recognize that it is you, who has no idea about it.
>
>
>
> I need not grow up, I am old enough. I fully support young scientists
> whenever I can,  but maybe you should shed the eggshells from your head
> (literallily translated from German).
>
>
>
> RADSAFE does not need such wannabes and trolls, you should leave RADSAFE
at
> once unless you can provide something substantial.
>
>
>
> Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
>
> MinRat i.R.
>
> Habicherg. 31/7
>
> A-1160 Wien/Vienna
>
> AUSTRIA
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Joseph Alvarez [mailto:jalvabeta at gmail.com]
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 08. August 2010 22:47
> An: Franz Schönhofer
> Cc: Clayton J Bradt; radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
> Betreff: Re: [ RadSafe ] U.S. Inks Nuclear Reprocessing Deal With India
>
>
>
> Please note. I did identify myself and affiliation. How else were you able
> to reply? To claim otherwise is another example of your lack of
> professionalism. Please grow up.
>

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