[ RadSafe ] NET iquette

Tue Aug 10 20:50:05 CDT 2010

I agree with Franz.  We could also include all the tens of millions of 
Chinese murdered by Mao and tens of millions murdered by Stalin in the 
Soviet Union and Eastern Europe for political and other reasons.  Perhaps 
some of the Radsafers are to young (or not born) to remember this.

Ed Baratta

edmond0033 at comcast.net

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From: "Perle, Sandy" <SPerle at mirion.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:50 PM
To: "Franz Schönhofer" <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>; "'JeffTerry'" 
<terryj at iit.edu>; "'Radsafe'" <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] NET iquette

> My last response to you regarding this Franz. Stop this leap to Nazism, 
> absolutely ridiculous. A rule on a list server that has a moderator, like 
> a club or social organization, can modify membership rules. We're not 
> talking about killing millions of people.
>
> Your response is really beneath you as both an individual and as a 
> professional, and is uncalled for.
>
> No further comment from me regarding this.
>
> Sandy
> Sent from my Windows phone from AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Franz Schönhofer <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:40 PM
> To: Perle, Sandy <SPerle at mirion.com>; 'Jeff Terry' <terryj at iit.edu>; 
> 'Radsafe' <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> Subject: AW: [ RadSafe ] NET iquette
>
>
> If you think that rules can be modified to meet the norm (????) of "today"
> you justify all those deads of the Nazi "legislation", the holocaust)
>
> How did you ever, who clearly justifies by this mail the murder of several
> million people dare to post something like this on RADSAFE.
>
> Get back to reality.
>
> Franz
>
>
> Schoenhofer, PhD
> MinRat i.R.
> Habicherg. 31/7
> A-1160 Wien/Vienna
> AUSTRIA
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] Im Auftrag von Perle, Sandy
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. August 2010 21:53
> An: Jeff Terry; Radsafe
> Betreff: Re: [ RadSafe ] NET iquette
>
> Rules can always be modified to meet the needs of the day. What was
> important 20 years ago may not be the norm of today. Rules are not static
> and should be dynamic. Lastly, the list moderator who takes on all of the 
> IT
> and moderation duties has the responsibility to establish the rules, or, 
> he
> who holds the ball makes the rules. That worked for me for 61 years!
>
> Sandy
> Sent from my Windows phone from AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Fro: Jeff Terry <terryj at iit.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:43 PM
> To: Radsafe <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] NET iquette
>
>
> Actually, the rules clearly state "When posting to the list include at 
> least
> your full name and preferrably, if applicable, address, professional
> details, etc."
>
> Note the preferrably, it is a suggestion and not a requirement. It has 
> been
> this way since July 2008, the last time that the rules were modified: see
> for example: http://health.phys.iit.edu/radsaferules.html
>
> In fact, the preferrably may be dropped shortly. Another change likely to 
> be
> coming is that the list will likely set the default reply back to the 
> list.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Franz Schönhofer wrote:
>
>> Sandy,
>>
>> Again you disappoint me severely.
>>
>> The RADSAFE rules clearly state that the posters should identify
> themselves
>> and give their affiliation. So this is not a matter of "company policy".
>> This rule cannot be overruled in my opinion by the fact that somebody is
>> afraid of retaliation by his company. I have already posted that I do not
>> understand why people do not send their messages from their private 
>> e-Mail
>> connection - I repeat it!
>>
>> Many mails, recently some which were intended to ridicule me and 
>> blackmail
>> me were sent on RADSAFE. You defended a well known troll, you explained
> that
>> you know another person, who stated that I never have submitted anything
>> reasonable to RADSAFE. It might be that you know him, but he should stand
>> for his message by giving his name and affiliation. I am almost sure that
>> most of RADSAFErs do not know him. At least I do not know him.
>>
>> There are RADSAFE rules and they should not be substituted by
>> "company/organisation policy". I have above clearly shown how company
>> restrictions can be overcome.
>>
>> Again, somebody who cannot stand for his views and opinions should not
> post
>> on RADSAFE.
>>
>> Franz
>>
>> Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
>> MinRat i.R.
>> Habicherg. 31/7
>> A-1160 Wien/Vienna
>> AUSTRIA
>>
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
>> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] Im Auftrag von Perle, Sandy
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. August 2010 18:01
>> An: Jeff Terry; radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
>> Betreff: Re: [ RadSafe ] NET iquette
>>
>> It all comes down to the company/organization polifcy regarding internet
>> use/E-Mail or other means of communication. It is not or right unless 
>> it's
>> dealt with at the specific facility. Radsafe has continued to be a venue
> to
>> exchange ideas. The platform opportunities are endless, evev if the
>> membership are not.
>>
>> Let's focus on the many issues that face us today and generations that
> come
>> in the future and less as to when or how a post eventually makes it to 
>> the
>> list. Now that would be ridiculous.
>>
>> Sandy Perle
>> Sent from my Windows phone from AT&T
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jeff Terry <terryj at iit.edu>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 7:39 AM
>> To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] NET iquette
>>
>>
>> Apparently, it appears that I do have such free time.
>>
>> Some private and state/federal employers feel that it is a component of
>> public outreach to allow employees to post to a list of this nature. Some
>> prefer to have their people post a tiny disclaimer. I don't see how this
>> could possibly be a problem?
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2010, at 8:27 AM, Franz Schönhofer
> <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Do they have so much
>>> spare time during working hours to deal with RADSAFE?
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