[ RadSafe ] CT radiation INHIBITS cancer

Mon Jan 25 13:17:04 CST 2010

Hello Franz,

I would accept attacking an argument or point of view, but it would be more appropriate to not attack the messenger. This would make for a more congenial forum for discussion. Consider that your point of view and opinion, knowledge, might afford an opportunity to provide new information to the individual.

Regards,

Sandy

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-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On Behalf Of Franz Schönhofer
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:08 AM
To: 'Anthony Santoro'; HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net; 'Otto Raabe'
Cc: dachsmd at aol.com; radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: AW: [ RadSafe ] CT radiation INHIBITS cancer

Thanks, Anthony, for your sensitive and understanding comment, which I very
much appreciate. This does not necessarily imply that I agree with
everything you put forward, but I accept is as another point of view! I
believe that this should be the basis of discusssion. Do not forget the
culture difference between different parts of the world!

I do not automatically attack people, who have another point of view, but I
might attack those who base their point of view on wrong perception, on
preformed opinions etc.

Thank you for your comment, once again.

Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
MinRat i.R.
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Wien/Vienna
AUSTRIA

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Anthony Santoro [mailto:santora at mail.rockefeller.edu]
Gesendet: Montag, 25. Jänner 2010 19:40
An: Franz Schönhofer; HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net; 'Otto Raabe'
Cc: dachsmd at aol.com; radsafe at radlab.nl
Betreff: RE: [ RadSafe ] CT radiation INHIBITS cancer

Franz,

Franz said "Are they acceptable for RADSAFE participants?"

Since you are asking.....I think you are incorrectly interpreting the term
"bomb data" as being insensitive to survivors of the nuclear attacks or
accidents.  It is simply identifying the data source, it is not meant to be
an inhuman comment.  I do not see anything wrong with it.  Even if this were
a forum frequented by the survivors of the atomic bombs, I would not
consider the term "bomb data" as being insensitive to these survivors.

Why do you always feel it necessary to personally attack those with whom you
do not agree?  I believe you can post your disagreement with what others
have to say without being rude and offensive.

Regards,

Anthony Santoro
Radiation Safety Officer
Chemical Waste Manager
Laboratory Safety & Environmental Health
The Rockefeller University

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On Behalf
Of Franz Schönhofer
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:23 PM
To: HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net; 'Otto Raabe'
Cc: dachsmd at aol.com; radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: AW: [ RadSafe ] CT radiation INHIBITS cancer

Howard,

I am a very simple radiochemist, who had due to the nuclear discussions,
especially the Chernobyl accident, the nuclear power discussions etc to
weigh into radiation protection.

However, I cannot accept your completely wrong reasoning. "Bomb data", what
a belitteling expression for hundreds of thousands of victims!

Your unbelievably inhuman comments are for me unacceptable. Are they
acceptable for RADSAFE participants? You should be ashamed. People - and
especially those who would search help at a "family doctor" should be better
served.

Franz

Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
MinRat i.R.
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Wien/Vienna
AUSTRIA

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] Im Auftrag
von HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net
Gesendet: Montag, 25. Jänner 2010 17:39
An: Otto Raabe
Cc: dachsmd at aol.com; radsafe at radlab.nl
Betreff: Re: [ RadSafe ] CT radiation INHIBITS cancer

True, Otto. Statistical "Significance" is arbitrarily 95% not by chance.

However, bomb data is the only HUMAN "experiment" available for

high rate, low dose radiation, like CT, except CTs themselves.

All exposed more to than 10 rad showed  more cancer,

so "all above 1. rad" averaged in those with damaging high dose.

Have you heard about the statistician who drowned?

He was crossing a creek that AVERAGED  one foot depth.

Do you concede that the 34 breast cancer deaths

suggest benefit MORE LIKELY than HARM, from radiation 1 to 10 rad

 -- when 42.3 were expected without exposure?

Best regards,

Howard Long

----- Original Message -----
From: "Otto Raabe" <ograabe at ucdavis.edu>
To: "HOWARD LONG" <HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net>, dachsmd at aol.com
Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 3:17:31 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] CT radiation INHIBITS cancer

At 04:58 PM 1/22/2010, HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net wrote:

In humans, only 32 breast cancers appeared in bomb survivors with 1 to 10
rad exposure (=1-10 CTs) where 42.3 were expected.
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THIS 32 VERSUS 42.3 IS NOT A STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE AND DOES
NOT DISPROVE THE HYPOTHESIS THAT THERE IS SOME REAL RISK IN THIS RANGE.

Overall the RERF found a highly significant 275 cases of breast cancer among
atomic bomb survivors for exposures above 1 rad (p<0.001) with an excess
relative risk near 1 per sievert (double risk at 100 rad).

Otto

Prof. Otto G. Raabe, Ph.D., CHP
Center for Health & the Environment
University of California
One Shields Avenue
Davis, CA 95616
E-Mail: ograabe at ucdavis.edu
Phone: (530) 752-7754   FAX: (530) 758-6140

In humans, only 32 breast cancers appeared in bomb survivors with 1 to 10
rad exposure (=1-10 CTs) where 42.3 were expected.
*****************************************************************
THIS 32 VERSUS 42.3 IS NOT A STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE AND DOES
NOT DISPROVE THE HYPOTHESIS THAT THERE IS SOME REAL RISK IN THIS RANGE.

Overall the RERF found a highly significant 275 cases of breast cancer among
atomic bomb survivors for exposures above 1 rad (p<0.001) with an excess
relative risk near 1 per sievert (double risk at 100 rad).

Otto

Prof. Otto G. Raabe, Ph.D., CHP
Center for Health & the Environment
University of California
One Shields Avenue
Davis, CA 95616
E-Mail: ograabe at ucdavis.edu
Phone: (530) 752-7754   FAX: (530) 758-6140
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