[ RadSafe ] Radfear - Airport Body Scanners

[Franz Schönhofer]

Dear Howard,

 

As I tried to convince you, I have been really close to the Chernobyl
investigations. Why cant’t you accept it? On the other side you accept „100
000+

Abortions“ still without giving any source. Contamination of food was a
severe problem of the European economy – not of Radiation Protection. I do
not want to waste

my time by repeating commenting on those topics. There are hundreds of
thousands of links available on the internet. Look at them and do not expect
that RADSAFE will give you the  ultimate answser.

 

Best regards.

 

Franz

 

Franz Schoenhofer, PhD

MinRat i.R.

Habicherg. 31/7

A-1160 Wien/Vienna

AUSTRIA

 

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net [mailto:HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net] 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 09. März 2010 18:33
An: Franz Schönhofer
Cc: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu; Ed Hiserodt; pollycove at comcast.net;
edmond0033 at comcast.net
Betreff: Radfear - Airport Body Scanners

 

Franz, perhaps some Radsafer who was close to the Chernobyl investigation

can recall where the widely speculated "100,000+ abortions" appeared.

I confess to not having a reference (the reason I wrote, "As I remember -")

Such info would be hard to gather reliably because most women having
abortions keep it private. 

 

Do you recall the panic, irrational food recommendations and other radfear
actions of the time, all over N. Europe? Now, even the thyroid cancer
increase is questioned by the TYPES not being as expected if there were an
increase.

 It would take me some time to locate that reference, which also seemed so
reasonable when read, I decided NOT to usually advise stocking ssKI.
Does anyone recall that recent study?

Howard Long

 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Franz Schönhofer" <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
To: "HOWARD LONG" <HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net>
Cc: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu, "Ed Hiserodt" <hise at sbcglobal.net>,
pollycove at comcast.net, edmond0033 at comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2010 5:29:54 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: AW: AW: [ RadSafe ] Airport Body Scanners

Dear Howard,

 

Thank you for the clarification on „reproduction“, but you did not answer my
question where from you have „information“ about the abortion numbers. Now
you even put

a number of hundreds of thousands in your mail! I have been extremely
involved in the aftermath of Chernobyl not only in Austria, but also in
international organisations like the IAEA and the WHO, but I never came
across any numbers of enhanced abortion statistics. Do you rely on hearsay
of militant antinuclear groups or sensation seeking „journalists“? „Only bad
news are good news.“ 

 

Simply said: The exposure of mothers-to-be was in Europe within the range of
what is originating from natural sources in large parts of Europe on
granitic bedrock.

 

So what is your source?

 

Best wishes and greetings!

 

Franz

 

Franz Schoenhofer, PhD

MinRat i.R.

Habicherg. 31/7

A-1160 Wien/Vienna

AUSTRIA

 

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net [mailto:HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net] 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 09. März 2010 01:48
An: Franz Schönhofer
Cc: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu; Ed Hiserodt; pollycove at comcast.net;
edmond0033 at comcast.net
Betreff: Re: AW: [ RadSafe ] Airport Body Scanners

 

Correct, Franz. 

I meant reproduction of <2 children/ couple, a non-reproducing birthrate

that has even Putin pushing it. 

The Chernobyl abortion panic, as I remember, involved hundreds of thousands
of abortions by exposed European mothers-to-be because of radfear - 

despite the noble efforts of scientists like yourself.

 

Pollycove's careful experimental science is well known to many Radsafers . 

Some can be viewed through ddponline.org 

 

Howard Long


----- Original Message -----
From: "Franz Schönhofer" <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
To: "HOWARD LONG" <HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net>, edmond0033 at comcast.net
Cc: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu, "Ed Hiserodt" <hise at sbcglobal.net>,
pollycove at comcast.net
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2010 12:41:32 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: AW: [ RadSafe ] Airport Body Scanners

Howard,

 

I am sure that I have a rather good command of English, so I more than
wonder, what you write. What do you mean by „European failure to reproduce

much<2/ person“??? (This would make four childen per couple???) Where do you
get these numbers from? Could you imagine that birthcontrol is in developed
countries a matter of living standard? (BTW I have three „children“, grown
up in the mean time.) Where do you take this idiotic claim of „Chernobyl
abortion panic“??? You seem to read to many antinuclear propaganda!!! There
do not exist any statistics which would indicate a rise in abortions. I
remember that I gave at that time an interview on the Austrian Radio clearly
stating that it would be irresponsible and unjustifiable to seek abortion
and that the health risks (not to talk about psychical impacts) of an
abortion would  be by far higher than any theoretically and statistically
calculated damage. 

 

Your Pollycove – if he is the source of the above mentioned nonsense – could
probably make a better „research“ than he did for your „UCSF Medical Class“
for the money he sure has received. Some „Hardliners“ (Gary!) will for sure
use this comment to pin me down as an „anti-American agitator“. I have high
estimate for Ed Baratta, whom I met many years ago at RADCHEM in Marianske
Lazne in the Northern Czech Republic and whom I hope to meet at the next one
this April again.

 

 Best regards,

 

Franz 

 

Franz Schoenhofer, PhD

MinRat i.R.

Habicherg. 31/7

A-1160 Wien/Vienna

AUSTRIA

 

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net [mailto:HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net] 
Gesendet: Montag, 08. März 2010 19:50
An: edmond0033 at comcast.net
Cc: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu; Ed Hiserodt; Franz Schönhofer;
pollycove at comcast.net
Betreff: Re: [ RadSafe ] Airport Body Scanners

 

Should European failure to reproduce (birth rates much < 2/person),

aggravated by fatal fears like the Chernobyl abortion panic, 

concern both health physicists and family doctors?

Ed's anectodal Prologue (summarized below) could enlighten the ignorant.

 

Myron Pollycove, formerly of the US Nuclear regulatory Commission,

enlightened our UCSF Medical class of '50, 5 years ago (at my behest) 

about his research in hormesis. What will he be able to report

this May about progress with either public or health physicists' 

comprehension of the benefit of 1 to 10 rad/year?

 

Howard Long


----- Original Message -----
From: edmond0033 at comcast.net
To: "Franz Schönhofer" <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
Cc: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu, "HOWARD LONG" <HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net>,
"Ed Hiserodt" <hise at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 2:27:24 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Airport Body Scanners

Franz:

 

I agree with you.  There is too much 'Big Brother'.  Imagine if anyone in
Radsafe suggested it would be fine if someone should be exposed to 'deadly'
radiaton for any reason whatsoever.  Perish the thought.  Hopefully anyone
in Radsafe doesn't get picked as a possible terrorist for expressing their
opinion.

 

Ed Baratta

 

edmond0033 at comcast.net 


----- Original Message -----
From: "Franz Schönhofer" <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
To: "Franz Schönhofer" <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>, "HOWARD LONG"
<HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net>, "Ed Hiserodt" <hise at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 12:49:34 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Airport Body Scanners

RADSAFERs,

I want to add for clarification, that I am by far not afraid of any
radiation exposure (why should I!), but I oppose the trend to cut down the
privacy of people by forcing them to parade "naked" in front of some
whatever persons and however these pictures deleted later on. This is
against any human dignity.

What I understand least of all, is that this humiliating concept originated
from the USA - the "land of the free", the land claiming to be a spearhead
to indiviudual rights. Come on, don't tell me about "bla, bla, bla". It is a
political concept, it is discrimination of foreigners. Having been dozens of
times in the USA I do not really plan to visit the USA again within the next
few years. I have the feeling that I am not welcome unless I can prove that
I am not a Taliban or any other islamic organisation etc. I suppose that
after sending this message I am registered in the USA because of using
"Taliban".  
 
Every scientist is welcome to Austria by me and the other authorities
without having to parade at a naked-scanner at the Vienna Airport. I cannot
pay any costs for visiting!

Seriously: I had several participants of RADSAFE already as guests in Vienna
and I think we mutually enjoyed the guided VIP tour I provided. I encourage
everybody to contact me for a visit, though I am most of the time not in
Vienna.

Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
MinRat i.R.
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Wien/Vienna
AUSTRIA


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] Im Auftrag von Franz Schönhofer
Gesendet: Sonntag, 07. März 2010 20:02
An: HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net; 'Ed Hiserodt'
Cc: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
Betreff: Re: [ RadSafe ] Airport Body Scanners

RADSAFErs

Please help me to understand, why we have at RADSAFE to deal with all kind
of nonsensical pseudo-radiation protectional rubbish. 

Howard, I would recommend that you keep to your profession of (as far as I
understand) family doctor. 

Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
MinRat i.R.
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Wien/Vienna
AUSTRIA


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] Im Auftrag von
HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net
Gesendet: Sonntag, 07. März 2010 18:45
An: Ed Hiserodt
Cc: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
Betreff: Re: [ RadSafe ] Airport Body Scanners

"UNDEREXPOSED  -  What if Radiation Is Actually GOOD for You", 
Ed Hiserodt's paperback, is on my waiting room table, and well-thumbed. 

The Prologue is riveting (in brief):   
             " Radiation can be dangerous. 
             So can ignorance.   
X-rays for wrist fracture scared a woman into having an abortion, 
to prevent the 'likelihood of a deformed child'

 [- ignorant of 200 FEWER deformities in Taiwan apts 

where 4cSv over 10years Chen, Luan, J Am Phys & Surg 13/1/Spring '08]. 

A health physicist estimated the increased radiation as less 
than from a coast to coast flight. - 
I wonder what my niece or nephew would have been like" 

                       Publicize your engineering analysis, Ed! 
Howard Long, family doctor  

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Hiserodt" <hise at sbcglobal.net> 
To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu 
Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 8:36:26 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [ RadSafe ] Airport Body Scanners 

I recently received this email from a friend who thinks that I know 
something about radiation since I wrote a book on the beneficial effects of 
LLR.  Hey, when did writing on a subject and having any knowledge of it 
become synonymous?   (Remember Al Gore?)  Anyway here is his question.  Any 
comments on it would be appreciated. 

"Regarding the virtual strip-search machines that will be appearing at 
airports across the country, how much radiation do they actually release and

how does this compare to the radiation we are normally exposed to anyway? 
How dangerous are these machines, if at all, for someone who does a lot of 
flying?  I understand that there are two technologies the TSA uses to peer 
through clothing: 

"One uses millimeter waves - does this involve any radiation; is it 
completely safe? 
"The other is the backscatter X-ray." 

Ed Hiserodt 
Maumelle, AR 
501 258 2571