[ RadSafe ] Radfear - Airport Body Scanners
HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net
HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net
Tue Mar 9 20:10:16 CST 2010
Thank you, Radsafers, for refreshing my memory with journal citations!
Radfear, ignorance of radiation risk/benefit, kills thousands of times more people than radiation overdose
(not even including the loss of cheap energy by over-regulation).
Howard Long
----- Original Message -----
From: "Franz Schönhofer" <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
To: "HOWARD LONG" <HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net>
Cc: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu, "Ed Hiserodt" <hise at sbcglobal.net>, pollycove at comcast.net, edmond0033 at comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2010 10:46:34 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: AW: Radfear - Airport Body Scanners
Dear Howard,
As I tried to convince you, I have been really close to the Chernobyl investigations. Why cant’t you accept it? On the other side you accept „100 000+
Abortions“ still without giving any source. Contamination of food was a severe problem of the European economy – not of Radiation Protection. I do not want to waste
my time by repeating commenting on those topics. There are hundreds of thousands of links available on the internet. Look at them and do not expect that RADSAFE will give you the ultimate answser.
Best regards.
Franz
Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
MinRat i.R.
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Wien/Vienna
AUSTRIA
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Von: HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net [mailto:HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 09. März 2010 18:33
An: Franz Schönhofer
Cc: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu; Ed Hiserodt; pollycove at comcast.net; edmond0033 at comcast.net
Betreff: Radfear - Airport Body Scanners
Franz, perhaps some Radsafer who was close to the Chernobyl investigation
can recall where the widely speculated "100,000+ abortions" appeared.
I confess to not having a reference (the reason I wrote, "As I remember -")
Such info would be hard to gather reliably because most women having abortions keep it private.
Do you recall the panic, irrational food recommendations and other radfear actions of the time, all over N. Europe? Now, even the thyroid cancer increase is questioned by the TYPES not being as expected if there were an increase.
It would take me some time to locate that reference, which also seemed so reasonable when read, I decided NOT to usually advise stocking ssKI.
Does anyone recall that recent study?
Howard Long
----- Original Message -----
From: "Franz Schönhofer" <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
To: "HOWARD LONG" <HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net>
Cc: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu, "Ed Hiserodt" <hise at sbcglobal.net>, pollycove at comcast.net, edmond0033 at comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2010 5:29:54 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: AW: AW: [ RadSafe ] Airport Body Scanners
Dear Howard,
Thank you for the clarification on „reproduction“, but you did not answer my question where from you have „information“ about the abortion numbers. Now you even put
a number of hundreds of thousands in your mail! I have been extremely involved in the aftermath of Chernobyl not only in Austria, but also in international organisations like the IAEA and the WHO, but I never came across any numbers of enhanced abortion statistics. Do you rely on hearsay of militant antinuclear groups or sensation seeking „journalists“? „Only bad news are good news.“
Simply said: The exposure of mothers-to-be was in Europe within the range of what is originating from natural sources in large parts of Europe on granitic bedrock.
So what is your source?
Best wishes and greetings!
Franz
Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
MinRat i.R.
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Wien/Vienna
AUSTRIA
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net [mailto:HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 09. März 2010 01:48
An: Franz Schönhofer
Cc: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu; Ed Hiserodt; pollycove at comcast.net; edmond0033 at comcast.net
Betreff: Re: AW: [ RadSafe ] Airport Body Scanners
Correct, Franz.
I meant reproduction of <2 children/ couple, a non-reproducing birthrate
that has even Putin pushing it.
The Chernobyl abortion panic, as I remember, involved hundreds of thousands of abortions by exposed European mothers-to-be because of radfear -
despite the noble efforts of scientists like yourself.
Pollycove's careful experimental science is well known to many Radsafers .
Some can be viewed through ddponline.org
Howard Long
----- Original Message -----
From: "Franz Schönhofer" <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
To: "HOWARD LONG" <HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net>, edmond0033 at comcast.net
Cc: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu, "Ed Hiserodt" <hise at sbcglobal.net>, pollycove at comcast.net
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2010 12:41:32 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: AW: [ RadSafe ] Airport Body Scanners
Howard,
I am sure that I have a rather good command of English, so I more than wonder, what you write. What do you mean by „European failure to reproduce… much<2/ person“??? (This would make four childen per couple???) Where do you get these numbers from? Could you imagine that birthcontrol is in developed countries a matter of living standard? (BTW I have three „children“, grown up in the mean time.) Where do you take this idiotic claim of „Chernobyl abortion panic“??? You seem to read to many antinuclear propaganda!!! There do not exist any statistics which would indicate a rise in abortions. I remember that I gave at that time an interview on the Austrian Radio clearly stating that it would be irresponsible and unjustifiable to seek abortion and that the health risks (not to talk about psychical impacts) of an abortion would be by far higher than any theoretically and statistically calculated damage.
Your Pollycove – if he is the source of the above mentioned nonsense – could probably make a better „research“ than he did for your „UCSF Medical Class“ for the money he sure has received. Some „Hardliners“ (Gary!) will for sure use this comment to pin me down as an „anti-American agitator“. I have high estimate for Ed Baratta, whom I met many years ago at RADCHEM in Marianske Lazne in the Northern Czech Republic and whom I hope to meet at the next one this April again.
Best regards,
Franz
Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
MinRat i.R.
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Wien/Vienna
AUSTRIA
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net [mailto:HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net]
Gesendet: Montag, 08. März 2010 19:50
An: edmond0033 at comcast.net
Cc: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu; Ed Hiserodt; Franz Schönhofer; pollycove at comcast.net
Betreff: Re: [ RadSafe ] Airport Body Scanners
Should European failure to reproduce (birth rates much < 2/person),
aggravated by fatal fears like the Chernobyl abortion panic,
concern both health physicists and family doctors?
Ed's anectodal Prologue (summarized below) could enlighten the ignorant.
Myron Pollycove, formerly of the US Nuclear regulatory Commission,
enlightened our UCSF Medical class of '50, 5 years ago (at my behest)
about his research in hormesis. What will he be able to report
this May about progress with either public or health physicists'
comprehension of the benefit of 1 to 10 rad/year?
Howard Long
----- Original Message -----
From: edmond0033 at comcast.net
To: "Franz Schönhofer" <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
Cc: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu, "HOWARD LONG" <HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net>, "Ed Hiserodt" <hise at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 2:27:24 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Airport Body Scanners
Franz:
I agree with you. There is too much 'Big Brother'. Imagine if anyone in Radsafe suggested it would be fine if someone should be exposed to 'deadly' radiaton for any reason whatsoever. Perish the thought. Hopefully anyone in Radsafe doesn't get picked as a possible terrorist for expressing their opinion.
Ed Baratta
edmond0033 at comcast.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Franz Schönhofer" <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
To: "Franz Schönhofer" <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>, "HOWARD LONG" <HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net>, "Ed Hiserodt" <hise at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 12:49:34 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Airport Body Scanners
RADSAFERs,
I want to add for clarification, that I am by far not afraid of any
radiation exposure (why should I!), but I oppose the trend to cut down the
privacy of people by forcing them to parade "naked" in front of some
whatever persons and however these pictures deleted later on. This is
against any human dignity.
What I understand least of all, is that this humiliating concept originated
from the USA - the "land of the free", the land claiming to be a spearhead
to indiviudual rights. Come on, don't tell me about "bla, bla, bla". It is a
political concept, it is discrimination of foreigners. Having been dozens of
times in the USA I do not really plan to visit the USA again within the next
few years. I have the feeling that I am not welcome unless I can prove that
I am not a Taliban or any other islamic organisation etc. I suppose that
after sending this message I am registered in the USA because of using
"Taliban".
Every scientist is welcome to Austria by me and the other authorities
without having to parade at a naked-scanner at the Vienna Airport. I cannot
pay any costs for visiting!
Seriously: I had several participants of RADSAFE already as guests in Vienna
and I think we mutually enjoyed the guided VIP tour I provided. I encourage
everybody to contact me for a visit, though I am most of the time not in
Vienna.
Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
MinRat i.R.
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Wien/Vienna
AUSTRIA
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Von: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] Im Auftrag von Franz Schönhofer
Gesendet: Sonntag, 07. März 2010 20:02
An: HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net; 'Ed Hiserodt'
Cc: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
Betreff: Re: [ RadSafe ] Airport Body Scanners
RADSAFErs
Please help me to understand, why we have at RADSAFE to deal with all kind
of nonsensical pseudo-radiation protectional rubbish.
Howard, I would recommend that you keep to your profession of (as far as I
understand) family doctor.
Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
MinRat i.R.
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Wien/Vienna
AUSTRIA
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] Im Auftrag von
HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net
Gesendet: Sonntag, 07. März 2010 18:45
An: Ed Hiserodt
Cc: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
Betreff: Re: [ RadSafe ] Airport Body Scanners
"UNDEREXPOSED - What if Radiation Is Actually GOOD for You",
Ed Hiserodt's paperback, is on my waiting room table, and well-thumbed.
The Prologue is riveting (in brief):
" Radiation can be dangerous.
So can ignorance.
X-rays for wrist fracture scared a woman into having an abortion,
to prevent the 'likelihood of a deformed child'
[- ignorant of 200 FEWER deformities in Taiwan apts
where 4cSv over 10years Chen, Luan, J Am Phys & Surg 13/1/Spring '08].
A health physicist estimated the increased radiation as less
than from a coast to coast flight. -
I wonder what my niece or nephew would have been like"
Publicize your engineering analysis, Ed!
Howard Long, family doctor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Hiserodt" <hise at sbcglobal.net>
To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 8:36:26 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [ RadSafe ] Airport Body Scanners
I recently received this email from a friend who thinks that I know
something about radiation since I wrote a book on the beneficial effects of
LLR. Hey, when did writing on a subject and having any knowledge of it
become synonymous? (Remember Al Gore?) Anyway here is his question. Any
comments on it would be appreciated.
"Regarding the virtual strip-search machines that will be appearing at
airports across the country, how much radiation do they actually release and
how does this compare to the radiation we are normally exposed to anyway?
How dangerous are these machines, if at all, for someone who does a lot of
flying? I understand that there are two technologies the TSA uses to peer
through clothing:
"One uses millimeter waves - does this involve any radiation; is it
completely safe?
"The other is the backscatter X-ray."
Ed Hiserodt
Maumelle, AR
501 258 2571
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