[ RadSafe ] Climate Change a fraud?

Mon Nov 1 18:26:12 CDT 2010

Larry:

I almost sent the same email.  (Glad it was you instead.)
I agree.  A good leader (like Ed) should lead by example.  :-)

Jerry Gels

-----Original Message-----
From: Jess L. Addis III <ajess at clemson.edu>
To: 'The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List' <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
Sent: Mon, Nov 1, 2010 2:27 pm
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Climate Change a fraud?

Great idea!  Do us a favor Ed, you go first.
Larry Addis
-----Original Message-----
rom: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Edmond Baratta
ent: Monday, November 01, 2010 11:31 AM
o: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
ubject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Climate Change a fraud?
Jerry:
We must first stop breathing for at least one hour of a day.  Think of how 
uch CO2 we will save.  First start with the Governments.  However the 
rees, plants, grass will not appreciate this.
Ed Baratta

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rom: "Rosen, Jerry C" <jcrosen at pitt.edu>
ent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:23 PM
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ist" 
radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
ubject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Climate Change a fraud?
> 1. The Green House Effect is a recognized scientific fact.
 2. It is recognized that CO2 contributes to the phenomenon.
 3. Modern technology, automobiles, power plants etc. generate CO2.
 4. The green house effect results in warming of the atmosphere which 
 directly effects climate.

 Therefore, CO2 and man's actions contribute to climate change.

 One can argue the degree of contribution but not whether the phenomenon 
 exists.

 4. Fact: CO2 is not the only green house gas that is generated by man's 
 activities.

 5. Fact: sun spots don't contribute to ocean acidity.
 6. Fact: There has been a significant change in ocean acidity in the last 
 150 years.
 7  Fact: CO2 is the major contributor to ocean acidity.
 8. Fact: There is already recognizable damage to coral reefs from ocean 
 acidity.

 Ocean acidity is not far below the level that will result in dissolution 
 of reefs and prevent shell fish from forming shells.

 So completely ignore climate change but don't plan to go scuba diving on 
 reefs or eat oysters in the future.

 The potential impact goes far beyond what I've described.

 Don't worry about that either because we can't afford to make the changes 
 to limit the problem and the full effect may not happen in our life time.

 Let me get personal. My father-in-law will turn 100 next year. He has a 5 
 year old grandson. This has caused me to rethink my attitude about many 
 things. Mostly, I make decisions which might affect people on a century 
 scale not my projected and somewhat limited life span.
 I worry about bankrupting my children, grandchildren and potential 
 succeeding generations with the national debt. So do a lot of people.
 The people who scream the most about the debt tend to be many of the 
 climate change deniers.

 Because of the debt, my great grandchildren may not be able to afford 
 food, shelter or clothing, but I don't worry about this because the earth 
 won't be inhabitable anyway.

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 From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu 
 [radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Quastel 
 [maay100 at bgu.ac.il]
 Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 4:13 PM
 To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing 
 List
 Subject: [ RadSafe ] Climate Change a fraud?

 I have been concerned to hear during the past year or so, even  from
 this otherwise informative and properly skeptical group, statements
 that findings of climate warming- or more properly climate change- is
 some sort of fraud, scam or conspiracy. The geologic and
 oceanographic evidence so far really does seem to support that
 climate change is taking place in our own lifetime. Whether it will
 turn out to be man made, a natural cycle, some sort of solar
 phenomenon, temporary or cumulative in the long run remains to be
 seen. There is nothing wrong with being skeptical -  indeed, that is
 the proper scientific approach -  but in view of the potentially very
 serious global consequences, it would be wise to keep an open mind on
 the subject and most definitely not rule out the possibility of human
 causation.

 Mike Quastel

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