[ RadSafe ] Climate Change, physics and intelligent design

Tue Nov 2 15:01:51 CDT 2010

Dear Dr. Long,

I do not see even a correlation (far from an intgration) of the so-called 
"scriptures" with evolving knowledge of physics, apart from trivial ones. 
Any specific points would be welcome.

D.Okkalides
THEAGENEION Anticancer Hospital
Thessaloniki
Greece

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Howard Long" <howard.long at comcast.net>
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Subject: [ RadSafe ] Climate Change, physics and intelligent design

>
> Mike, is the "Big Bang" more comprehendable than "Intelligent Design"?
> I believe God's "day" is more likely a billion earth orbits of the sun 
> than a single revolution, thus integrating much-translated scriptures with 
> evolving knowledge of physics.
>
> Am I a Sarah syncophant? She's also right on kitchen economics ( market 
> controls). The market grows investment and jobs better than political 
> command -as you can see with current collapse of a planned economy. The 
> latter has led to LNT dictates to enable easier command. Can you see where 
> central planning gets us, vs what private investors do to protect their 
> reputations and investment in nuclear reactors?
>
> Howard Long
>
> On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:21 AM, "Brennan, Mike  (DOH)" 
> <Mike.Brennan at DOH.WA.GOV> wrote:
>
>> In your desire to ridicule the Apostil of Al, make sure you don't become
>> a Sycophant of Sarah.  Most of the people speaking most loudly against
>> the idea that humans can and are effecting climate in larger areas than
>> previously acknowledged (city heat islands have been well documented
>> since at least my childhood) are not doing it from a basis of sound
>> personal research.  A fair check is to find out where they stand on the
>> teaching of Intelligent Design in science classes.
>>
>> As I have stated before, I don't particularly care about the whole
>> climate change debate; I remember when the some scientists predicted
>> that we were about to enter another ice age.  There are, however, a
>> number of things that are proposed as useful in reducing our impact on
>> the climate that are worth doing in their own right.  For example,
>> whether you care about CO2 or not, almost everything that is burned puts
>> other stuff into the air, too.  In most cases, a little bit isn't a
>> problem, but a lot is.  I would submit that when things burned in China
>> contribute noticeably to air pollution in LA, it would be a good idea if
>> there was less burning going on.
>>
>> There is an interesting article here:
>> http://www.miller-mccune.com/science-environment/greener-battlefields-wo
>> uld-be-safer-for-troops-24716/.  The short of it is that after years of
>> rejecting ideas because they were "green", the military is realizing
>> that acting on some of these improves their ability to carry out their
>> mission, and saves vast amounts of money (how many businesses would like
>> a change that saves two million dollars per day, with a pay-back time of
>> less than two months?).
>>
>> Those who believe in climate change because of slanted reporting by
>> biased sources are not using a good decision making process.  Those who
>> do not believe in climate change because of slanted reporting by biased
>> sources are not using a good decision making process, either.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
>> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Jim Hardeman
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 6:59 AM
>> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Climate Change a fraud?
>>
>> Not to be indelicate, but Mr. Al's disciples should probably try to do
>> something about their methane emissions as well ...
>>
>> Jim Hardeman
>>
>>>>> "Dixon, John E. (CDC/ONDIEH/NCEH)" <gyf7 at cdc.gov> 11/1/2010 18:23
>>>>>
>> That's great Ed. I also "don't do hockey sticks..." It might be worth
>> the effort for ALL of Mr. Al's disciples to hold their breath for a
>> long, long, time.
>>
>> Regards,
>> John Dixon
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
>> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Edmond Baratta
>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 5:45 PM
>> To: 'The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
>> List'
>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Climate Change a fraud?
>>
>> Larry:
>>
>> I'm not a 'Disciple' of Al Gore's climate change.  My recommendation was
>> for
>> those who subscribe to it.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Jess L. Addis III" <ajess at clemson.edu>
>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 11:27 AM
>> To: "'The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
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>> <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Climate Change a fraud?
>>
>>> Great idea!  Do us a favor Ed, you go first.
>>>
>>> Larry Addis
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
>>> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Edmond
>> Baratta
>>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 11:31 AM
>>> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
>> List
>>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Climate Change a fraud?
>>>
>>> Jerry:
>>>
>>> We must first stop breathing for at least one hour of a day.  Think of
>> how
>>> much CO2 we will save.  First start with the Governments.  However the
>>> trees, plants, grass will not appreciate this.
>>>
>>> Ed Baratta
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Rosen, Jerry C" <jcrosen at pitt.edu>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:23 PM
>>> To: "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
>>> List"
>>> <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Climate Change a fraud?
>>>
>>>> 1. The Green House Effect is a recognized scientific fact.
>>>> 2. It is recognized that CO2 contributes to the phenomenon.
>>>> 3. Modern technology, automobiles, power plants etc. generate CO2.
>>>> 4. The green house effect results in warming of the atmosphere which
>>>> directly effects climate.
>>>>
>>>> Therefore, CO2 and man's actions contribute to climate change.
>>>>
>>>> One can argue the degree of contribution but not whether the
>> phenomenon
>>>> exists.
>>>>
>>>> 4. Fact: CO2 is not the only green house gas that is generated by
>> man's
>>>> activities.
>>>>
>>>> 5. Fact: sun spots don't contribute to ocean acidity.
>>>> 6. Fact: There has been a significant change in ocean acidity in the
>> last
>>>> 150 years.
>>>> 7  Fact: CO2 is the major contributor to ocean acidity.
>>>> 8. Fact: There is already recognizable damage to coral reefs from
>> ocean
>>>> acidity.
>>>>
>>>> Ocean acidity is not far below the level that will result in
>> dissolution
>>>> of reefs and prevent shell fish from forming shells.
>>>>
>>>> So completely ignore climate change but don't plan to go scuba diving
>> on
>>>> reefs or eat oysters in the future.
>>>>
>>>> The potential impact goes far beyond what I've described.
>>>>
>>>> Don't worry about that either because we can't afford to make the
>> changes
>>>> to limit the problem and the full effect may not happen in our life
>> time.
>>>>
>>>> Let me get personal. My father-in-law will turn 100 next year. He has
>> a 5
>>>> year old grandson. This has caused me to rethink my attitude about
>> many
>>>> things. Mostly, I make decisions which might affect people on a
>> century
>>>> scale not my projected and somewhat limited life span.
>>>> I worry about bankrupting my children, grandchildren and potential
>>>> succeeding generations with the national debt. So do a lot of people.
>>>> The people who scream the most about the debt tend to be many of the
>>>> climate change deniers.
>>>>
>>>> Because of the debt, my great grandchildren may not be able to afford
>>>> food, shelter or clothing, but I don't worry about this because the
>> earth
>>>> won't be inhabitable anyway.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
>>>> [radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Quastel
>>>> [maay100 at bgu.ac.il]
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 4:13 PM
>>>> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
>>>> List
>>>> Subject: [ RadSafe ] Climate Change a fraud?
>>>>
>>>> I have been concerned to hear during the past year or so, even  from
>>>> this otherwise informative and properly skeptical group, statements
>>>> that findings of climate warming- or more properly climate change- is
>>>> some sort of fraud, scam or conspiracy. The geologic and
>>>> oceanographic evidence so far really does seem to support that
>>>> climate change is taking place in our own lifetime. Whether it will
>>>> turn out to be man made, a natural cycle, some sort of solar
>>>> phenomenon, temporary or cumulative in the long run remains to be
>>>> seen. There is nothing wrong with being skeptical -  indeed, that is
>>>> the proper scientific approach -  but in view of the potentially very
>>>> serious global consequences, it would be wise to keep an open mind on
>>>> the subject and most definitely not rule out the possibility of human
>>>> causation.
>>>>
>>>> Mike Quastel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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