[ RadSafe ] Pilots urged to avoid body scanning

Sun Nov 14 10:55:42 CST 2010

Sorry all the link was wrong:

http://www.ionactive.co.uk/blog.html 

rgs

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Ramsay
Sent: 14 November 2010 16:50
To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Pilots urged to avoid body scanning

Ta George

www.ionactive.co.uk/blog.HTML

Wrote a bit more about this in the blog above, and made the very same
point about Collective Dose! The comments appear below my plug of some
new free industrial radiography resource.

Rgs

Mark

Sent from my iPhone

On 14 Nov 2010, at 16:41, "George Sallit"
<georgesallit325 at btinternet.com> wrote:

> Mark,
> 
> It is precisely the numbers that we as professional RP specialists
should be
> talking about. 0.06 microSv is an incredibly small dose and certainly
should
> not be a determining factor in whether these scanners should be used.
If
> pilots do not want to be security screened then let's hear the reasons
why
> and we should challenge the health and safety arguments when they are
wrong.
> 
> I had also hoped that the gross misue of collective dose was no longer
being
> done/encouraged. To talk about real cancer deaths from summing minute
doses
> is a misuse of the whole concept. Common but still a misuse.
> 
> I agree with you about air crew knowledge of doses and whilst some air
crew
> know the scanners use X-rays they are less aware that they get
radiation
> doses from flights and the fact the flight doses are 100s of times
larger
> than the scanner doses.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Ramsay"
<mark.ramsay at ionactive.co.uk>
> To: "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
List"
> <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 5:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Pilots urged to avoid body scanning
> 
> 
>> 
>> Agree...
>> 
>> Without getting too hung up about exact figures.
>> 
>> Typical back scatter scan - 0.06 micro Sv (effective dose)
>> 
>> Typical dose rate at 37,000 above the UK - 5 micro Sv/h (high energy
>> radiation / neutrons etc etc).
>> 
>> (We could have a separate debate about low energy x-rays delivered at
>> very high dose rate to the skin vs. High energy penetrating radiation
-
>> another day!).
>> 
>> I think the health issue is a red herring, but might be used to
enhance
>> their cause (i.e. do not want to be scanned).
>> 
>> That said, I have questioned various cabin crew / pilots when flying
for
>> work and in most cases they appear to pretty much unaware of the
>> magnitude of the radiation dose received during their work. If this
is
>> so then it might well be that they are worried about the back scatter
>> systems - in which case some education is needed at flying school!
>> 
>> Rgs
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> www.ionactive.co.uk
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
>> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Brennan,
Mike
>> (DOH)
>> Sent: 12 November 2010 17:07
>> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics)
MailingList
>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Pilots urged to avoid body scanning
>> 
>> If the unions were really interested in reducing the radiation dose
to
>> their members, they would push for some type of optimizing program
that
>> had pilots (and other crew) flying routes closer to home, and
decreasing
>> the amount of "deadhead" flying they do, just to get to where are
they
>> are working.  Exposure is the same if you are in the cockpit or in
the
>> main cabin, and both are vastly higher than from the scanner.
>> 
>> On the other hand, I agree with the USAPA spokesman about how silly
it
>> is to apply the same security criteria to pilots as to passengers.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
>> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Perle,
Sandy
>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 8:29 AM
>> To: 'The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
>> List'
>> Subject: [ RadSafe ] Pilots urged to avoid body scanning
>> 
>> Pilots urged to avoid body scanning
>> By Marnie Hunter, CNN
>> November 11, 2010 11:17 a.m. EST
>> 
>> Pilots unions are concerned about radiation emitted by backscatter
>> scanning machines to create full-body images.
>> 
>> STORY HIGHLIGHTS
>> 
>> * Pilots urged to avoid body scans, opt for pat-downs when
unavoidable
>> * Union president calls pat-downs "a demeaning experience"
>> * Unions support security checks for pilots that would allow them to
>> bypass standard screening
>> 
>> Pilots' unions for US Airways and American Airlines are urging their
>> members to avoid full-body scanning at airport security checkpoints,
>> citing health risks and concerns about intrusiveness and security
>> officer behavior.
>> "Pilots should NOT submit to AIT (Advanced Imaging Technology)
>> screening," wrote Capt. Mike Cleary, president of the U.S. Airline
>> Pilots Association, in a letter to members this week. USAPA
represents
>> more than 5,000 US Airways pilots.
>> 
>> "Based on currently available medical information, USAPA has
determined
>> that frequent exposure to TSA-operated scanner devices may subject
>> pilots to significant health risks," Cleary wrote.
>> American Airlines pilots have also received guidance from their
union,
>> the Allied Pilots Association, to decline full-body scanning. APA
>> represents 11,000 pilots.
>> "It's safe to say that most of the APA leadership shares my view that
no
>> pilot at American Airlines should subject themselves to the needless
>> privacy invasion and potential health risks caused by the AIT body
>> scanners," APA president David Bates said in a letter to members.
>> 
>> Both unions are concerned about the effects of repeated exposure to
>> small doses of radiation emitted by the backscatter technology used
in
>> some of the Transportation Security Administration's full-body
scanners.
>> In the course of their daily duties, pilots are routinely exposed to
>> elevated levels of naturally occurring atmospheric radiation, which
>> increases at higher altitudes.
>> The unions urge members to choose security lines that use standard
metal
>> detectors whenever possible. When faced with AIT screening, pilots
>> should opt for enhanced pat-downs, although this security procedure
also
>> concerns the unions.
>> Unions are encouraging pilots to request private pat-downs. USAPA
urges
>> members to make sure a witness is present during the procedure.
>> 
>> USAPA refers to incidents where Transportation Security
Administration
>> officers may have implemented the screening technique
inappropriately.
>> One pilot described his experience as "sexual molestation," according
to
>> Cleary's letter. Bates wrote, "There is absolutely no denying that
the
>> enhanced pat-down is a demeaning experience."
>> Both unions are looking for long-term solutions to airline crew
>> screening.
>> 
>> "Pilots really should never have been subjected to this type of
>> screening, ever. Because when we walk through these machines, within
a
>> few hundred yards we get into what potentially could be the biggest
>> weapon on the airport, and that's the airplane," said James Ray, a
>> USAirways captain and spokesman for USAPA.
>> 
>> Pilots are well screened with security background checks and regular
>> medical and mental health checks, he said. The union suggests
>> implementing alternate identity verification technology that would
allow
>> pilots to bypass regular passenger screening.
>> 
>> The TSA said it welcomes further discussion with pilots and
emphasized
>> the agency's role in addressing security threats.
>> "We are frequently reminded that our enemy is creative and willing to
go
>> to great lengths to evade detection. TSA utilizes the latest
>> intelligence to inform the deployment of new technology and
procedures
>> in order to stay ahead of evolving threats," the TSA said in a
>> statement.
>> 
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>> 
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