[ RadSafe ] Keeping an open mind

Fri Oct 15 23:23:46 CDT 2010

Franz,
Your argument of using hydrocarbons for chemical production and getting energy from nuclear is the best.

Howard Long 

On Oct 15, 2010, at 4:03 PM, <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at> wrote:

> Doug,
> 
> I have another argument for cutting down the burning of oil and natural gas - not the "maybe" global warming due to CO2: I think that in any scenario it is not very clever to burn this raw material for all kind of chemical products - from pharmaceutics to fibres, from simple products to very high-tech products, plastics, etc. etc. It should be saved for the chemical industry and the energy needed should be produced by other means like for instance nuclear power. This is the point, which you call "we can do it better"!
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Franz 
> 
> ---- Doug Aitken <jdaitken at sugar-land.oilfield.slb.com> schrieb:
>> Every so often, we seem to get into this "discussion" where some members
>> make rather strong statements about the "global warming" issue (note I don't
>> say "scam", phony science, etc).
>> 
>> I am skeptical regarding the actual cause being man-made, although it would
>> seem reasonable to say that (1) evidence of global climate change cannot be
>> reasonably denied - from retreating glaciers to regional temperature
>> changes, rainfall, etc... and (2) man is spewing larger than ever quantities
>> of nasty stuff into the atmosphere and water (to the obvious detriment to
>> all living creatures , cutting vast swathes of forest and using our natural
>> resources with little thought to the future.
>> 
>> So it would seem to me that any effort to control these human excesses would
>> benefit all of us. I am not a fanatical green, but certainly do think that
>> we can do better, whether or not it would impact climate....
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Doug Aitken
>> QHSE Advisor, D&M Operations Support
>> Schlumberger,
>> Drilling & Measurements HQ,
>> 300 Schlumberger Drive, MD15,
>> Sugar Land, Texas 77478
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
>> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Edmond Baratta
>> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 8:15 PM
>> To: Jerry Cohen; The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics)
>> Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Keeping an open mind
>> 
>> Those who are for the new 'religion' of Global Warming are using it to make
>> a profit, i.e. Gore, and the Governments who wishes to make our lives
>> miserable.  I can't believe that the Government is sponsoring the mercury
>> (Hg) laden light bulbs.  Previously, they forbade the fluorescent lights
>> that  contained beryllium (Be).
>> 
>> Ed Baratta
>> 
>> edmond0033 at comcast.net
>> 
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Jerry Cohen" <jjc105 at yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 2:56 PM
>> To: "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List" 
>> <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Keeping an open mind
>> 
>>> Mike,
>>> Of course, you are correct. The climate is changing, but hasn't that 
>>> always been the case? Historic evidence shows that the climate is 
>>> cyclical in nature and the earth has continually alternated between 
>>> "ice ages" and tropical periods.
>>> Dr.
>>> Fred Singer, has estimated that these cycles last about 1500 years, 
>>> and currently increasing global temperatures simply indicate that we 
>>> are predictably in an upward phase. In time, this trend will reverse, 
>>> and we can start to worry about global cooling again, if we live that 
>>> long.
>>> To attribute  "global warming" to anthropic (man-made) causes is 
>>> somewhat silly.
>>> Socialists believe it is due to capitalistic greed. "third world" 
>>> nations may believe it is caused by developed counties squandering our 
>>> limited resources; and some may think that witchcraft  is to blame. I 
>>> never liked witches, so I tend to blame them for everything thats bad.
>>> In all likelihood, global climate change is controlled by cosmic 
>>> forces (sunspots, etc) over which man has no control, so maybe we 
>>> should just sit back and enjoy it.
>>> Jerry Cohen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Mike Quastel <maay100 at bgu.ac.il>
>>> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing 
>>> List <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>>> Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 1:13:31 PM
>>> Subject: [ RadSafe ] Climate Change a fraud?
>>> 
>>> I have been concerned to hear during the past year or so, even  from 
>>> this otherwise informative and properly skeptical group, statements 
>>> that findings of climate warming- or more properly climate change- is 
>>> some sort of fraud, scam or conspiracy. The geologic and oceanographic 
>>> evidence so far really does seem to support that climate change is 
>>> taking place in our own lifetime. Whether it will turn out to be man 
>>> made, a natural cycle, some sort of solar phenomenon, temporary or 
>>> cumulative in the long run remains to be seen. There is nothing wrong 
>>> with being skeptical -  indeed, that is the proper scientific approach 
>>> - but in view of the potentially very serious global consequences, it 
>>> would be wise to keep an open mind on the subject and most definitely 
>>> not rule out the possibility of human causation.
>>> 
>>> Mike Quastel
>>> 
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