[ RadSafe ] TR: The solution to pollution

Wed Aug 24 16:36:51 CDT 2011

Hi,
    I am unable to open the referenced site, but I would guess that the 
concentration levels of pollutant applied in the "effects" research are far 
higher than those likely to actually be found in the environment. Our ability to 
detect vanishingly low concentrations has  outrun our abilty
to assess the health effects at these very low concentrations levels
 ------- And thats the problem! I believe Paracelsus was right.
Jerry Cohen

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From: Colette Tremblay <Colette.Tremblay at ssp.ulaval.ca>
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Subject: [ RadSafe ] TR: The solution to pollution

Hi,

I did a quick Pubmed (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed) search, and I found 
these papers:
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Melissa M. Schultz, et al (2011)  Selective uptake and biological consequences 
of environmentally relevant antidepressant pharmaceutical exposures on male 
fathead minnows. Aquatic Toxicology 104 (2011) 38-47

Jan A. Mennigen, et al (2010)  Waterborne fluoxetine disrupts feeding and energy 
metabolism in the goldfish Carassius auratus. Aquatic Toxicology 100 (2010) 
128-137

HANNAH R. FOSTER, et al (2010) CHRONIC EXPOSURE TO FLUOXETINE (PROZAC) CAUSES 
DEVELOPMENTAL DELAYS IN RANA PIPIENS LARVAE. Environmental Toxicology and 
Chemistry, Vol. 29, No. 12, pp. 2845-2850, 2010
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In all  three, negative effects such as estrogenic endocrine disruption 
(alterations in the testes and production of egg-yolk protein in males), or 
feeding and energy metabolism were observed in fish, and developmental delay was 
observed in frogs, following exposure to environmental concentrations of 
antidepressants.

Fish and especially amphibians have very permeable skin; populations of 
amphibians are declining worldwide. Environmental pharmaceuticals may play a 
role in the decline of these populations, along with other pollutants and 
habitat destruction.

The problem with "solution to pollution is dilution" is in the proper assessment 
of those  "designated standards". Some effects which had never been investigated 
when the standards were created can indeed affect some organisms. These 
standards must change with advancing knowledge.

Colette Tremblay
Spécialiste en radioprotection
Service de sécurité et prévention
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De : Jerry Cohen [mailto:jjc105 at yahoo.com]
Envoyé : 23 août 2011 11:02
À : Colette Tremblay
Objet : Re: [ RadSafe ] The solution to pollution

Colette,
    How are the fish and amphibians "affected"? Is there any scientific evidence 
to support this?
Reproductive anomalies are always occuring, with or without pollution.    Jerry

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From: Colette Tremblay <Colette.Tremblay at ssp.ulaval.ca>
To: Jerry Cohen <jjcohen at prodigy.net>; The International Radiation Protection 
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Sent: Tue, August 23, 2011 6:44:46 AM
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] The solution to pollution

I understand that fish and amphibians are affected by the medications in water, 
since they actually live in the water. Reproductive anomalies have been 
observed.

Colette

Colette Tremblay
Spécialiste en radioprotection
Service de sécurité et prévention
poste 2893

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    Many years ago, when I began to work in the environmental health field,
there existed a guideline to the effect, "The solution to pollution is
dilution". In other words, if it could be assured that disposal of any harmful
agent could not result in environmental concentrations above designated
standards, the disposal method could be considered acceptable. Over time, this
approach had apparently been superceded by the "Any is too much" philosophy
where the detectible presence of anything harmful is not acceptable. The ALARA
principle in radiation safety is a manifestation of this type of thinking.
    Now, it seems that we have evolved to the next level. I recently noted a
warning from our state Health Dept. to the effect that any disposal of outdated
medications into the sewage system is forbidden. I've tried to imagine a set of
conditions where this practice might conceivably result in some harmful effect,
but I am stumped. When I inquired about the rational, I learned the reason for
this prohibition is because the practice is illegal. OK, ---I give  up! Maybe
someone on radsafe has a reasonable explanation.
Jerry Cohen
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