[ RadSafe ] Collective Dose and Death

[Brennan, Mike (DOH)]

If, when I was in college, I had said such a thing (and I might have),
the proper response would have been, "smartass."  

A more mystical answer would be, "Each drop moves on, but the river
remains."  

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Jerry Cohen
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 5:09 PM
To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Collective Dose and Death

During a college lecture on radiation effects, I once offered the
profound 
observation that, regardless of radiation exposure, the death rate will
be 
exactly one per person. In the discussion that followed, a student said
that he 
disagreed with my observation stating that, "if you consider all of the
human 
beings who were ever born, most are still alive, so that based upon
statistical 
evidence, the death rate must be < 0.5/person". I am still trying to
think of 
what might have been an appropriate response.

Jerry Cohen



________________________________
From: Glenn R. Marshall <GRMarshall at philotechnics.com>
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Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 8:41:13 AM
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Collective Dose

I suspect, were we to add up all the statistical deaths from all
hypothetical 
sources and hazards (not just deadly ionizing radiation) over the course
of a 
year, the total would exceed the earth's population.  I do not intend to
go to 
all the trouble to do that, but someone with a lot of spare time.....


Glenn Marshall, CHP, RRPT



-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu 
[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Bernard L.
Cohen
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 1:15 PM
To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Collective Dose

There is nothing complicated about this issue. Collective dose is very 
meaningful if linear-no threshold theory (LNT) is valid -- it predicts 
the number of deaths caused. But if LNT is not valid, it is essentially 
meaningless except as a political tool.

On 1/4/2011 9:47 AM, Otto G. Raabe wrote:
>
>> January 4, 2011
>
> Collective dose is meaningless and misleading. Only individual dose is

> meaningful.
>
> Otto
>
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Bernard L. Cohen
Physics Dept., University of Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh, PA 15260
Tel: (412)624-9245  Fax: (412)624-9163
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