[ RadSafe ] Unacceptable Reason For A Dose

Wed Jun 22 13:34:53 CDT 2011

You are correct.  It is hard to keep one's mind wrapped around how bad the first week or so was.  Indeed, the contamination levels in the control room might have been less than other places where they might have eaten.  It is even possible that these individuals had glasses they could wear under a mask, or even mask with corrective lenses (I seem to remember those were once available; I have no idea if they still are), and could not get to them because of the earthquake and tsunami.  And getting replacement people in may have been impossible until the roads were cleared.  It is easy to be judgmental when you're not the one up to one's ass in alligators, and slack should be cut.  

Still, some duck tape would have helped with the seal.  And it would have only pulled out the hairs the first time.

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From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Thompson, Dewey L
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 6:21 AM
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Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Unacceptable Reason For A Dose

Mike, others:

Of course I agree.  However.  There are two specific points.  One is wearing a respirator with temple bar glasses.  The other point is brief removal of the respirator while in a contaminated area to eat or drink.  

I maintain the first idea is horrible. Wearing the temple bar glasses degrades the ability of the respirator to the point that you might as well not bother wearing a respirator. Indeed, it might be better overall if that person wasn't in a mask (he would be more efficient and observant).  

The second point (eating etc.), while disconcerting to us with an RP background, MIGHT have been the best option available. 

Consider, the region was wiped out from the tsunami.  How many people do you have on site to respond to the emergency?  How do you call in support personnel, and how do they get there?  What about the distractions the people that are on site face from not knowing the status of their family?  

As someone who is part of an Emergency Response Plan as a "Health Physics Coordinator", I state that could support shipping sandwiches and drinks to Control Room wearing respirators.  You HAVE to keep the human beings functional.  I wouldn't LIKE it.  But I think I could support it, telling people to quickly pull the mask, eat, and put it back on.

What bothers me more is the background conditions.  We sitting on the outside looking in can only theorize the pressures and challenges faced by the operating crew on the site that day.   

I suspect that as the story unfolds, we will see evidence of colossal stupidity and shortsightedness.  We shall also see evidence of incredible acts of heroism and courage, bordering on that seen in war.   

FWIW.  Dewey

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From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Brennan, Mike (DOH)
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:04 PM
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I don't disagree.  In any case, both the lack of good fit on the respirators and eating in a contaminated space are unacceptable. 

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From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Thompson, Dewey L
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:04 AM
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Well, Mikey;

I had not considered the intake potential of the actual food being contaminated, you may have a point there.  

But on the respirator issues, you are flat wrong.  Here is some data for you:

Wearing a Scott negative pressure filter respirator on a TSI Port-A-Count, the fit factors were:

Without Temple Bar glasses, good seal to face.
Normal Breathing - 8000
Deep Breathing   - 2400

Using Temple Bar safety glasses, frame thickness approximately 1/16 inch (1.6 mm)

Normal Breathing - 1.8-2.0
Deep Breathing   - 1.0-1.1

You can do a napkin calculation if you care and estimate the relative intake of radioactivity for a couple of minutes chomping down a sandwich vs wearing a mask for several hours.

Most respectfully
Dewey

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-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Brennan, Mike (DOH)
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 11:48 AM
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Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Unacceptable Reason For A Dose

While I agree that anyone who might need to work in a respirator should
be fit for one (including either the right kind of glasses or corrective
surgery), I think the bigger problem was them eating at their station.
Taking your mask all the way off and eating food that was exposed to the
contamination in the room seems like a bigger source than air that
sneaks past the earpieces of glasses.

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From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Jeff Terry
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 7:13 PM
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Subject: [ RadSafe ] Unacceptable Reason For A Dose

I am sorry but this is inexcusable. You have to fit respirators, before
allowing someone into an airborne contamination area. 

http://www.sacbee.com/2011/06/18/3710803/nuclear-plant-workers-safety-ma
sk.html

Jeff

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