[ RadSafe ] Ongoing Criticalities InsideLeaking FukushimaDaiichi Unit 2

Mon May 2 23:51:24 CDT 2011

There is another method.  It is neutron bombardment of Tellurium (Te).  A 
company in South Africa produces Iodine-131 by this method.

Ed Baratta
Consultant - Radioactivity
edmond0033 at comcast.net

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jim Darrough
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 8:21 AM
To: 'The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Ongoing Criticalities InsideLeaking 
FukushimaDaiichi Unit 2

Pardon my ignorance, Bob. Are you saying that I-131 can be created in some
manner other that fissioning? I was always led to believe that I-131 is
strictly a fission byproduct/fragment. Looking at an old copy of Nclides and
Isotopes Chart of the Nuclides, (16th edition) it seems to me that I-131
would not be readily created by neutron absorption.

Cesium 137 on the other hand has a long half life, relatively speaking so
any release from broken or leaking fuel rods (such as those in the pools)
could release plenty.

In short, I do not think there is enough spontaneous fission going on in the
reactor(s), especially with Boron injections, to produce I-131 in any
meaningful amount.

Am I wrong about this?

Regards, Jim Darrough

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Hearn
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 7:55 PM
To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) MailingList
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Ongoing Criticalities Inside Leaking
FukushimaDaiichi Unit 2

The I-131 / Cs-137 ratios or absolute concentrations are not adequate to
make any inference regarding criticality or production rate. These
radioisotopes may be released at varying rates with no criticality from fuel
in defected cladding depending on the nature of cladding defects,
temperature, pressure, fuel burn history, etc. We do not even know for sure
how much of the source term for these materials is the spent fuel versus
that in the reactor vessel.

These is an entire area of study on radioisotope release from BWR reactor
fuel, dating from the earlier days of GE's A/y-lambda modeling for fuel
warranty validation, and further advanced in more recent decades. These
sparse observations do not provide adequate characterization for any of the
speculation raised in this thread.

btw: How is "fresh" I-131 distinguished from any other state of I-131?

Bob Hearn
pedigreed expert

----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Parker" <randy at atomicwizard.com>
To: "'The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) MailingList'"
<radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Ongoing Criticalities Inside Leaking
FukushimaDaiichi Unit 2

> Greetings!
>
> Viewing the graphical data for the samples from the six units, I see:
>
> Unit 1 has I-131 in the range of 50 to 500 Bq/cc, decreasing relative to
> Cs-137 by a (very approximate) factor of 20 in 20 days.
>
> Unit 2 has I-131 in the range of 50 to 800 Bq/cc, not decreasing relative
> to
> Cs-137 until 4/22/2011, then decreasing relative to Cs-137 by a (very
> approximate) factor of 5 in 6 days.
>
> Unit 3 has I-131 in the range of 2 to 20 Bq/cc, decreasing relative to
> Cs-137 by a (very approximate) factor of 3 in 12 days until 4/18/2011,
> then
> increasing relative to Cs-137 by a (very approximate) factor of 10 in 8
> days.
>
> Unit 4 has I-131 in the range of 0.06 to 20 Bq/cc, decreasing relative to
> Cs-137 by a (very approximate) factor of 20 in 20 days.
>
> Unit 5 has I-131 in the range of 0.05 to 1.1 Bq/cc, decreasing relative to
> Cs-137 by a factor of 2 (or less) in 20 days.
>
> Unit 6 has I-131 in the range of 0.08 to 0.9 Bq/cc, maintaining a roughly
> constant level relative to Cs-137.
>
> If any of these 6 reactors is presumed to be making new I-131, why not
> pick
> Unit 3?
>
> The only conclusion I can derive from these graphs is "insufficient data".
> The data that I need are those that would give a production RATE of the
> fission isotopes.  These results are for water concentration, but they
> provide no clue about total quantities without some way to measure the
> total
> volume of the water represented by each sample.  Since they are water
> samples, they give no clue as to the amount of I-131 potentially released
> by
> gaseous pathways.  Also, I'm certain there would be other fission products
> present such as I-133 which (with a shorter half-life) would more clearly
> indicate an on-going fission process.  Since I don't know why these are
> not
> plotted, I can draw no conclusion from such information.
>
> If I were to speculate on the information I actually have, I would
> speculate
> that the author of the article prefers speculation...
>
> Not a pedigreed "expert", but my opinion -
> Randy Parker
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Doug Huffman
> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 10:10 AM
> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Ongoing Criticalities Inside Leaking Fukushima
> Daiichi Unit 2
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> A definition of criticality, a practical one that I used to determine
> criticality, was "a constant positive change in neutron population (Start
> Up
> Rate) with no reactivity addition."  Subcritical multiplication and
> spontaneous fission might explain "fresh" I-131 but the whole spectrum of
> fission fragmants should be present and as detectable.
>
> On 5/1/2011 07:20, Ahmad Al-Ani wrote:
>> TEPCO Data Shows Ongoing Criticalities Inside Leaking Fukushima
>> Daiichi Unit 2 April 28, 2011 Analysis by: GLG Expert Contributor
>>
>> Data released on April 28, 2011 by TEPCO is now unequivocal in showing
> ongoing criticalities at Unit 2, with a peak on April 13. TEPCO graphs of
> radioactivity-versus-time in water under each of the six reactors show an
> ongoing nuclear chain reaction creating high levels of "fresh" I-131 in
> Unit
> 2, the same reactor pressure vessel (RPV) with a leak path to reactor
> floor,
> aux building, and outdoor trenches, that is uncontrollably leaking high
> levels of I-131, Cs-134, Cs-137 into the Pacific Ocean.
>>
>> Source:
>> http://tinyurl.com/663j24z
>>
>> TEPCO Data:
>> http://tinyurl.com/5sz375o
>>
>> Can the experts on the RADSAFE list comment on this analysis, please.
>>
>> Ahmad Al-Ani
>> Radiation Physicist
>> _______________________________________________
>> You are currently subscribed to the RadSafe mailing list
>>
>> Before posting a message to RadSafe be sure to have read and
>> understood the RadSafe rules. These can be found at:
>> http://health.phys.iit.edu/radsaferules.html
>>
>> For information on how to subscribe or unsubscribe and other settings
>> visit: http://health.phys.iit.edu
>>
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (MingW32)
> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
>
> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNvZPlAAoJEIpOLnult3mge+4H/1o3YiF770X4lPYFdXZ+4sKG
> fDNZ49oYrUhUtCMfFiDoTwUuz1PPN2hiC4xNoaMV02TV12fD9vA+Ur7n/FHbYQAB
> Gzpl5Mp4FWA/ScPDr7aytDWz8n6CFXXDvT/vf8fSQAEOQ9EX6zLvpRBN0KGRP6e6
> 56yMWMTqfuCVt06htvkPslmteec+AnlVubCB5fOiiKCHSs7xsMJeFQvPK1JyPU4+
> dFTHegp18QcPCFdty+uftVEFKpzBHQpLpx+nzwxTuGHgDQgbMhFPdxArwtnm04y6
> 2EaIotbqBM+8t2NcPdjecOYTKEmyEIqGVjhIGr4JySWMfEAHJIWualQkeEFpcOQ=
> =6Zy4
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
> _______________________________________________
> You are currently subscribed to the RadSafe mailing list
>
> Before posting a message to RadSafe be sure to have read and understood
> the
> RadSafe rules. These can be found at:
> http://health.phys.iit.edu/radsaferules.html
>
> For information on how to subscribe or unsubscribe and other settings
> visit:
> http://health.phys.iit.edu
>
> _______________________________________________
> You are currently subscribed to the RadSafe mailing list
>
> Before posting a message to RadSafe be sure to have read and understood
> the RadSafe rules. These can be found at:
> http://health.phys.iit.edu/radsaferules.html
>
> For information on how to subscribe or unsubscribe and other settings
> visit: http://health.phys.iit.edu
>

_______________________________________________
You are currently subscribed to the RadSafe mailing list

Before posting a message to RadSafe be sure to have read and understood the
RadSafe rules. These can be found at:
http://health.phys.iit.edu/radsaferules.html

For information on how to subscribe or unsubscribe and other settings visit:
http://health.phys.iit.edu

_______________________________________________
You are currently subscribed to the RadSafe mailing list

Before posting a message to RadSafe be sure to have read and understood the 
RadSafe rules. These can be found at: 
http://health.phys.iit.edu/radsaferules.html

For information on how to subscribe or unsubscribe and other settings visit: 
http://health.phys.iit.edu 