[ RadSafe ] Global Warming Mailing List
Jeff Terry
terryj at iit.edu
Wed May 4 13:05:44 CDT 2011
Hi All,
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This is not the place for the global warming debate.
Thanks,
Jeff
On May 4, 2011, at 12:59 PM, parthasarathy k s wrote:
> Dear Mr Brian Riely,
>
> Just out of curiosity. What is the basis of your thought that the vast majority of the people in the list knew that man-made global warming is not true. Was there any opinion poll?
>
>
> With best regards,
> Parthasarathy
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Brian Riely <brian.riely at gmail.com>
> To: 'Roger Helbig' <rhelbig at sfo.com>; 'The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List' <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, 4 May 2011, 21:57
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Luckey vs Caldicott
>
> Hi Roger
>
> I do not plan to get into a lengthy discussion about man-made global warming
> and I thought the vast majority of the people on this list knew man-made
> global warming is not true.
>
> Some comments:
>
> Wrt polar bears, you can find reports on the internet that say the polar
> bear population is increasing and you can find reports that say it is
> decreasing. The reports that I read that say the polar bear population is
> decreasing use anecdotal evidence, or just sample one area, or use a
> questionable measuring method. The reports that show the polar bear
> population is increasing are very thorough. Additionally, I could not find
> a report that links polar bear population with temperature and address other
> issue that might effect polar bear population. I do know that the warmth of
> the Alaskan pipe line is credited with increasing the wild life population
> in Alaska.
>
> During the past several years the arctic ice has been thickening. There is
> a satellite image taken around 2003 that shows the arctic ice in the North
> Pole to be the thinnest on record, which is used to prove the arctic ice is
> thinning. That thinning was not due to global warming because at the same
> time images showed the arctic ice in the South Pole thickening. During the
> past several years there are many reports that ice-breakers that were able
> to break the ice before are now having trouble due to the thickening ice.
>
> When we were actually experiencing global warming, the same equipment that
> measured global warming on earth measured global warming on mars.
>
> IPCC report concluded that there is global warming but there is no evidence
> that man is responsible for it. That statement was taken out of the report
> by one individual. This is in several sources including the book by
> Lawrence Soloman reference below.
>
> All of the reports that I have seen, except for the ones by Jim Hansen of
> NASA, which climate gate should have discredited, indicate that we have been
> in global cooling since around 1998.
>
> Because of the evidence of global cooling, the phase has changed from
> "global cooling" to "climate change." I have heard educators claim that
> global warming causes global cooling. I saw a video from the UK that was
> posted 10 years claiming that because of global warming children in the UK
> will no longer experience snow and in the past I have read that the reason
> we are experience very little snow is because of global warming. Because of
> the global increase in snow during the past year or two, the media is now
> replete with stories of how global warming is causing an increase in snow.
> If the temperature goes up that is proof of global warming, if the
> temperature goes down that is proof of global warming, if there is a
> decrease in snow that is proof of global warming, if there is an increase of
> snow, that is proof of global warming, if "event A" happens that is proof of
> global warming, if "event not-A" happens that is proof of global warming.
>
> There is a lot of money involved with the man-made global warming agenda.
> A writer for the U.K. Telegraph wrote
>
> None of the lobbying has been more telling than a statement issued by 259
> investment organisations, controlling 'collective assets totalling over $15
> trillion' - including major banks, insurance companies and pension funds.
> These are the bodies calling most stridently for "government action on
> climate change", because they are the ones who hope to make vast sums of
> money out of it," wrote Christopher Booker. "They are desperate for a treaty
> of the type they failed to get at Copenhagen - even more so since the
> collapse of the US cap and trade bill - because they see their chance of
> turning global warming into the most lucrative fruit machine in history
> dwindling by the month.
>
> I read a book by an environmentalist, Lawrence Soloman, called the The
> Deniers: The World Renowned Scientists Who Stood Up Against Global Warming
> Hysteria, Political Persecution, and Fraud *And those who are too fearful to
> do so. The book mentions that Dr. Edward Wegman--former chairman of the
> Committee on Applied and Theoretical Statistics of the National Academy of
> Sciences--demolishes the famous "hockey stick" graph that launched the
> global warming panic. In other words, when you apply the proper statistical
> techniques to the climate data, there is no hockey stick.
>
> Lord Monkton has a ton of evidence to dispute global warming claims. His
> video http://www.cfact.org/a/1652/Monckton-names-names-on-Climategate
> exposes a lot of the fraud in man-made global warming. Note that his
> presentation is replete with facts.
>
> A Russian study released 4 years ago indicated that we will be entering a
> mini ice age soon
> http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results/20516/Little_Ice_Age_May_Return_S
> oon_Russian_Scientists_Say.html
>
> A German Scientist predicts we are now in the start of an ice age.
> http://www.helium.com/items/2045473-scientist-predicts-new-ice-age-now-appro
> aching?page=2
>
> Most significantly, Phil Jones, one of the foremost proponents of man-made
> global warming admitted there has been no global warming since 1995
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishm
> ent-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html
>
>
> I can provide a lot more evidence that man-made global warming is not true;
> however, people are going to believe what they want to believe.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Helbig [mailto:rhelbig at sfo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 12:53 AM
> To: brian.riely at gmail.com
> Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Luckey vs Caldicott
>
> So do I and many others on this list - I presume you do not - that is your
> right to an opinion.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Brian Riely
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:41 PM
> To: 'The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Luckey vs Caldicott
>
> It means he believe in man-made global warming.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Larry Addis
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 11:29 PM
> To: 'The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Luckey vs Caldicott
>
> It was easy.
>
> What does "totaling in the tank for man-made global warming" mean?
>
> LA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Brian Riely
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 10:37 PM
> To: 'The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Luckey vs Caldicott
>
> How can you claim someone who is totaling in the tank for man-made global
> warming as a "voice of reason"?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Larry Addis
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 9:50 PM
> To: 'The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Luckey vs Caldicott
>
> That was a good read. George Monbiot? Thank you! I've never heard of him,
> but he is a lone voice of reason from media circles so far.
>
> And the best I can say for Ms. Caldicott? Idiot.
>
> Larry Addis
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Brent Rogers
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 9:09 PM
> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) MailingList
> Cc: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Luckey vs Caldicott
>
> Perhaps the link should be sent to NYT.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 04/05/2011, at 10:38, Steven Dapra <sjd at swcp.com> wrote:
>
>> May 3
>>
>> This is a superb article. Thank you, Patricia, for sending the
> link to RADSAFE.
>>
>> Steven Dapra
>>
>>
>> At 10:48 AM 5/3/2011, you wrote:
>>> Some might find this link of interest (forwarded to me by one of our
>>> guests):
>>>
>>> email snip:
>>>
>>> "... Caldicott has made a very lucrative career by pretending that
> science
>>> is behind her position, and just recently she was involved with a dispute
>>> with a man named George Monbiot, a man well known in England ... who
> reacted
>>> to the lack of radiation disaster in Japan recently by saying he had to
>>> rethink all he thought he knew about the dangers of nuclear power, that
> is,
>>> he now knew it wasn't nearly as dangerous as he thought. He writes for
> the
>>> Guardian, I think, and is widely followed. B. Gore"
>>>
>>> http://www.monbiot.com/2011/04/13/why-this-matters/
>>>
>>>
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