[ RadSafe ] Unholy Alliance ; Long-lived radionuclides

Thu May 26 15:13:06 CDT 2011

I'll weigh in with an opinion. Good grief no. Ocean disposal is NOT the answer. Reactor burn uses only 5% of the energy. Yucca mountain in all its idiocy would still leave the energy to our descendents. 

(Yeah, I know, Thorium crowd is going to come a witnessing). 

Dewey

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Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Unholy Alliance ; Long-lived radionuclides

Mike, 
I certainly agree that there is an unholy alliance between the anti-nukes (who 
are genuinely concerned, but technologically ignorant), and those scientists and 
bureaucrats who depend on the perception of a unique and unprecedented  hazard 
to continually obtain hugh levels of funding to "solve" the problem. The Yucca 
Mountain Project is a monument to this technological greed.
Oceanic disposal of HLW would provide a safe and inexpensive way to deal with 
HLW disposal, but since there no "big bucks" available for this politically 
unpopular approach, it receives no support. What a shame!

Jerry Cohen

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From: "Brennan, Mike  (DOH)" <Mike.Brennan at DOH.WA.GOV>
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Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Long-lived radionuclides

I think the difficulty of making "engineered barriers" that will
adequately contain material is often overstated.  I also think the
consequences of the break down, especially for radioactive material, is
almost always overstated.  And NEVER is it pointed out that for the long
half-life material the mass needed produce the same activity is vastly
higher than for the isotopes we pay more attention to.  

This is one of the places where I've seen an unholy alliance between the
anti-nukes and certain factions within the rad biz, as there is much
higher profit in arguing about how to build a facility that will last
10,000 or 100,000 years than there is in building a facility that will
reliably last 100 years, and will probably last 1,000 years if no one
tries to break it.

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[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Robert J
Gunter
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 11:00 AM
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Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Long-lived radionuclides

The problem with long lived radionuclides is they contribute to off-site
dose for a long time.  This is obvious, but they may become limiting
factors
for waste pits in the long term when the "engineered barriers" break
down.
We prefer to ignore the other stuff....

Robert J. Gunter, MSc, CHP
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[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Jerry Cohen
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Long-lived radionuclides

Could someone please explain why there is such inordinate concern about
the 
long-live radionuclides such as
I-129, Pu-239, etc.
It seems to me that if long-lived species are of particular concern, we
should 
be most worried about the toxic stable elements (Pb, Cd, Hg, etc) which
will

persist forever.
Jerry Cohen

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From: Peter Miller <z3ix at kamprint.com>
To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 11:20:58 AM
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] RadSafe Digest, Vol 639, Issue 1

>
>http://www.shef.ac.uk/mediacentre/2011/radioactive-iodine-japan-tsunami
-ear
thquake.html
>l
>
> 24 May 2011
> Expert discovers simple method of dealing with harmful radioactive
iodine

How does one separate the I-129 from seawater to heat it in a microwave
oven

with lead so as to immobilize it as Prof Hyatt's technique prescribes?

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