[ RadSafe ] FW: the best way to silence someone istoceasecommentingon them

Fri May 27 09:33:17 CDT 2011

Julie,

I wrote a few dozens of minutes ago a reply to your mail. It has vanished since in Cyberspace. 

Let me repeat what I remember of the most important parts of my message: :
Gratulations for your positive experience with this person. I have only extremely negative ones with him, so please accept my statement. Business might not be similar to personal relations. His comments on the birthplace of A.H and Auschwitz are in no way excusable. My comments were not directed to his actions as "boss", nor his family. 

Please accept that other persons might have had a different opinion, backed by negative experience.

Should you ever come to Vienna, you are as welcome like any other RADSAFEr. If you use the same method as Sandy Perle did ........

---- "Shafer schrieb:
> John,
> DITTO!
> THANK YOU for stating the obvious.
> 
> Sandy was my very first boss and now has been my friend and colleague for over 30 years.  He is highly respected in the industry.
> He treats people with respect and has the highest professional standards.  
> He is a man of integrity, he has a wonderful family, and  I have the highest professional and personal respect for him and I am happy to call him my friend.
> 
> Julie Shafer
> FPL/Turkey Point Nuclear Station
> Radiation Protection
> Dosimetry/Corrective Action
> 305-246-6117 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Dixon, John E. (CDC/ONDIEH/NCEH)
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 2:28 PM
> To: 'The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] FW: the best way to silence someone is to ceasecommentingon them
> 
> I stand by the knowledge and integrity of Sandy Perle. Mr. Perle has a positive demeanor and is well respected. 
> 
> LIGHTEN UP FRANZ!!!! (How do you say that in Austrian????)
> 
> John Dixon
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of franz.schoenhofer at chello.at
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 5:42 PM
> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) MailingList
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] FW: the best way to silence someone is to ceasecommentingon them
> 
> Thank you Mr Perle (persons like you we do not address with first name in my country, but probably I should address you as "Mr. President) for confirming so quickly that my opinion about your character, in spite of having been described by many collegues very positive, is 150% correct. Since I received quite a few very positive answers on my contribution I draw the conclusion that your opinion is absolutely irrelevant. Indeed it is. I'll write what I think appropriate also in the future, but of course you may complain to the listowner, you might even collect many others, probably customers)  to support your opininion that I should be banned from the list or at least put under supervision. I would not be surprised about such a move. It would not be the first time. It surprises me how many positive messages come to me privately concerning my comments. 
> 
> Since I know from where the "insults"  come I do not regard them  as insulting. I wonder whether the list owner has the same opinion? 
> 
> Mr Perle is obviously not able to keep a decent conversation on RADSAFE, but prefers to insult persons who do not share his queer opinions.- so what about a suggestion to the listowner to put him under supervision? 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Franz
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: franz.schoenhofer at chello.at <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 3:34 PM
> > To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) MailingList <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> > Cc: Perle, Sandy <sperle at mirion.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] the best way to silence someone is to cease commentingon them
> > 
> > 
> > Thank you Mr. Perle for your sophisticated comment. Fortunately (or should I say "unfortunately?) I am old enough to make my own decisions and I do not need the advice of somebody like you. Your advice is furthermore ridiculous because it is more or less "shut up when you have reasons to protest". So you obviously imply that also the liberation movements in Northern Africa should have shut up, the anti-war protesters should have shut up since decades, any protest against the communist rulers in former Eastern European countries should have been quenched? Well, they were quenched successfully for to long a time.
> > 
> > This "expert" Busby has done so much damage to not only RADSAFE, but also to the world reputation of scientists, telling lies, cheating, several times accusing RADSAFErs of being dishonest, even I have been a few years ago personally affected. He spreads lies as we experienced only recently.
> > 
> > I am tired of your previous dishonest behaviour and your later attacks. I warn you to make any further comments on the fact that Adolf H. was  born in nowadays Austria as you did, on any connection of general committment of Austria in the holocaust and other Nazi crimes. I am fed up by this. I clearly have nothing to do with it, nor had my family at any time. Should you attempt to do it again I think I'll take relevant actions.
> > 
> > Leave me in peace, restrict your comments on dose-measurements. I hope that you at least understand something about it - contrary to nuclear emergencies.
> > 
> > Franz
> > 
> > ---- "Perle schrieb:
> > > If you disagree with anyone and believe that their posts are worthless, taking up unnecessary bandwidth, the best way to not encourage responses is not to respond in the first place. Seems kind of silly to post about an individual stating that their posts are not contributing to Radsafe and its intended purpose, that it takes up bandwidth, and then continue the posts by continuing to respond to the posts. Just stop responding and Radsafe will once again find its equilibrium point.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Sandy
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------
> > > Sander C. Perle
> > > President
> > > Mirion Technologies
> > > Dosimetry Services Division
> > > 2652 McGaw Avenue
> > > Irvine, CA 92614
> > >
> > > +1 (949) 296-2306 (Office)
> > > +1 (949) 296-1130 (Fax)
> > >
> > > Mirion Technologies: http://www.mirion.com/
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> 
> _______________________________________________
> You are currently subscribed to the RadSafe mailing list
> 
> Before posting a message to RadSafe be sure to have read and understood the RadSafe rules. These can be found at: http://health.phys.iit.edu/radsaferules.html
> 
> For information on how to subscribe or unsubscribe and other settings visit: http://health.phys.iit.edu
> _______________________________________________
> You are currently subscribed to the RadSafe mailing list
> 
> Before posting a message to RadSafe be sure to have read and understood the RadSafe rules. These can be found at: http://health.phys.iit.edu/radsaferules.html
> 
> For information on how to subscribe or unsubscribe and other settings visit: http://health.phys.iit.edu
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> You are currently subscribed to the RadSafe mailing list
> 
> Before posting a message to RadSafe be sure to have read and understood the RadSafe rules. These can be found at: http://health.phys.iit.edu/radsaferules.html
> 
> For information on how to subscribe or unsubscribe and other settings visit: http://health.phys.iit.edu

--
Franz Schoenhofer, PhD, MinRat
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Vienna
Austria
mobile: ++43 699 1706 1227