[ RadSafe ] Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy Farmersfightradiation with Boron

Sun May 29 14:09:06 CDT 2011

Franz, you clearly know nothing. How you can represent yourself as knowledgeable in this area is astonishing. The concentration of Sr in milk is well known, uranium also, they follow Calcium. Measurements of Sr90 in milk were what resulted in the test ban in 1963. Go back to school and learn some chemistry. The ignorance of you guys is beyond belief.
Chris Busby

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From: franz.schoenhofer at chello.at [mailto:franz.schoenhofer at chello.at]
Sent: Sun 29/05/2011 17:20
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Cc: Busby Chris
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy Farmersfightradiation with Boron

RADSAFErs,

I am shocked, I am deeply shocked! Chris Busby makes a (partly) correct statement on RADSAFE!!!!!!!

I loan the word "idiocy" from him for the original story. There is so much nonsense in this statement from Hawaii (who is  behind it?), that if I ever had started to collect such statements it would be a favourite. 

Maybe I'll find time to comment the original message a little closer. I am a member of the International Union of Radioecologists, a real organisation, not a fake one like Busbys "European Commission of something with radiation". I have suffered many years from the Chernobyl aftermath in Austria - of course only because of the hysteria and the drawback in my carreer, because I did not support the hysteria and thought that other - naturally occurring radionuclides - were of much  more importance for human radiation exposure than the finally hardly measurable ultra traces of Cs-137. 

Chris, you are insofar wrong: Although I also hope that cows have not ingested neutron sources, you should be aware that Sr-90 is deposited in bones and it is hardly, if at all, possible to get rid of it. Uranium concentration is enhanced in other organs - use the ICRP XX or the valid EU directive to find out about critical organs - I am not going to do this for you, unless you make a reasonable financial offer, which should not be so difficult because of your obvious fine income for instance from US lawfirms. Regarding the hazards from plutonium (I suppose you mean Pu-239?) I refrain to comment on this nonsense. If you know about any measurements of Pu-239 in milk I would appreciate to learn about them. You seem not even to be aware, that the long term concern is Cs-137, short term also Cs-134. There have been more than enough experiments after Chernobyl on how to reduce the Cs-137 in milk, with limited success. I think that a reduction by a factor two does not justify the effort and the costs. 

Why don't you try to avoid the antinuclear bla-bla like uranium and plutonium in milk is a concern if you want to be acknowledged as a scientist? I know, that "plutonium" sounds extremely well in anti-nuclear propaganda!

Best regards,

Franz

---- Busby Chris <C.Busby at ulster.ac.uk> schrieb:
> There is no physics or chemistry based for this idiocy. How can borax help in this situation? If the cows are contaminated the milk is contaminated. Boron absorbs neutrons in a neutron field. I hope there are no neutrons inb the cows.
> They could perhaps push out the uranium and strontium with calcium supplements. That might work. Its the Sr and U and PU that are the nasty nuclides here in the milk.
> Chris
> 
> 
> -----Originoral Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at agni.phys.iit.edu on behalf of Perle, Sandy
> Sent: Sun 29/05/2011 13:43
> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing  List
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy Farmers fight	radiation with Boron
>  
> Roger,
> 
> Good example where govt. And respected scientists, preferably from with the local community would speak out and have the appropriate facts.
> 
> Regards,
> Sandy
> Sent from my Windows phone from AT&T
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Helbig <rhelbig at sfo.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:09 AM
> To: Radsafe <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> Subject: [ RadSafe ] Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy Farmers fight       radiation with Boron
> 
> 
> http://hawaiihealthguide.com/healthtalk/display.htm?id=915&hhsid=9ea42c3eb9d
> 93ab4faf7ca3cd98ee6d8
> 
> I strongly suspect that these well meaning dairy farmers are doing more harm
> than good.  Is that the case or does sodium borate do no harm?  If it does
> harm especially to the resulting milk, then the State of Hawaii's health
> department should be made aware of this.
> 
> Roger Helbig
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