[ RadSafe ] Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island DairyFarmersfightradiation with Boron

franz.schoenhofer at chello.at franz.schoenhofer at chello.at
Sun May 29 15:33:51 CDT 2011

The second part of your mail is no problem for me - but the first one is,  What "language is it?".

Always eager to learn


---- Steven Dapra <sjd at swcp.com> schrieb:
> May 29
>          Yup, us guys is purty iggerrant, ain't us'ns.
> Steven Dapra
> (serprized hee kan spel hiz own name. . . .)
> At 01:09 PM 5/29/2011, you wrote:
> >Franz, you clearly know nothing. How you can represent yourself as 
> >knowledgeable in this area is astonishing. The concentration of Sr 
> >in milk is well known, uranium also, they follow Calcium. 
> >Measurements of Sr90 in milk were what resulted in the test ban in 
> >1963. Go back to school and learn some chemistry. The ignorance of 
> >you guys is beyond belief.
> >Chris Busby
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: franz.schoenhofer at chello.at [mailto:franz.schoenhofer at chello.at]
> >Sent: Sun 29/05/2011 17:20
> >To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing 
> >List; The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) MailingList
> >Cc: Busby Chris
> >Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy 
> >Farmersfightradiation with Boron
> >
> >
> >I am shocked, I am deeply shocked! Chris Busby makes a (partly) 
> >correct statement on RADSAFE!!!!!!!
> >
> >I loan the word "idiocy" from him for the original story. There is 
> >so much nonsense in this statement from Hawaii (who is  behind it?), 
> >that if I ever had started to collect such statements it would be a favourite.
> >
> >Maybe I'll find time to comment the original message a little 
> >closer. I am a member of the International Union of Radioecologists, 
> >a real organisation, not a fake one like Busbys "European Commission 
> >of something with radiation". I have suffered many years from the 
> >Chernobyl aftermath in Austria - of course only because of the 
> >hysteria and the drawback in my carreer, because I did not support 
> >the hysteria and thought that other - naturally occurring 
> >radionuclides - were of much  more importance for human radiation 
> >exposure than the finally hardly measurable ultra traces of Cs-137.
> >
> >Chris, you are insofar wrong: Although I also hope that cows have 
> >not ingested neutron sources, you should be aware that Sr-90 is 
> >deposited in bones and it is hardly, if at all, possible to get rid 
> >of it. Uranium concentration is enhanced in other organs - use the 
> >ICRP XX or the valid EU directive to find out about critical organs 
> >- I am not going to do this for you, unless you make a reasonable 
> >financial offer, which should not be so difficult because of your 
> >obvious fine income for instance from US lawfirms. Regarding the 
> >hazards from plutonium (I suppose you mean Pu-239?) I refrain to 
> >comment on this nonsense. If you know about any measurements of 
> >Pu-239 in milk I would appreciate to learn about them. You seem not 
> >even to be aware, that the long term concern is Cs-137, short term 
> >also Cs-134. There have been more than enough experiments after 
> >Chernobyl on how to reduce the Cs-137 in milk, with limited success. 
> >I think that a reduction by a factor two does not justify the e
> >  ffort and the costs.
> >
> >Why don't you try to avoid the antinuclear bla-bla like uranium and 
> >plutonium in milk is a concern if you want to be acknowledged as a 
> >scientist? I know, that "plutonium" sounds extremely well in 
> >anti-nuclear propaganda!
> >
> >Best regards,
> >
> >Franz
> >
> >
> >
> >---- Busby Chris <C.Busby at ulster.ac.uk> schrieb:
> > > There is no physics or chemistry based for this idiocy. How can 
> > borax help in this situation? If the cows are contaminated the milk 
> > is contaminated. Boron absorbs neutrons in a neutron field. I hope 
> > there are no neutrons inb the cows.
> > > They could perhaps push out the uranium and strontium with 
> > calcium supplements. That might work. Its the Sr and U and PU that 
> > are the nasty nuclides here in the milk.
> > > Chris
> [edit]
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