[ RadSafe ] Rational Thought

Tue Oct 4 11:26:10 CDT 2011

Mark,

Nice to hear that at least on 'RADSAFEr finds the discussion (not "show") entertaining. Though my messages are not for entertainment, but should be taken serious. Are we going to take people like Chris Busby, who without any doubt has no knowledge about what he comments on, serious? He has not the slightest idea on the topics he is commenting on, but he seems to be a big star in the mass media. Or should we fight their nonsensical claims? Maybe we should leave RADSAFE to  be adminstered by Greenpeace?????

Best regards,

Franz

---- Mark Ramsay <mark.ramsay at ionactive.co.uk> schrieb:
> Very rarely comment on such matters...
> 
> But I do find the 'Chris / Franz  Show' quite entertaining - more than I
> should do to be honest. 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Busby, Chris
> Sent: 04 October 2011 16:43
> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Rational Thought
> 
> There is an excellent pumped storage hydroelectric system here in Wales
> near me, at Maentwrog.
> Cheers
> Chris
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at agni.phys.iit.edu on behalf of
> franz.schoenhofer at chello.at
> Sent: Tue 04/10/2011 13:05
> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
> List; The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics)
> MailingList
> Cc: Busby, Chris
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Rational Thought
>  
> Chris,
> 
> Ever heard the words "efficiency"? If you ever heard anything about
> hydrogen production by electrolysis and its efficiency (it has to be
> burnt to deliver energy) or the overall efficiency of pumped storage -
> please enlighten us. I know obviously a little more about this than you!
> 
> 
> Best regards to everyone except our raman spectroscopist!
> 
> Franz
> 
> 
> ---- "Busby schrieb:
> > Store wind: Hydrogen from electrolysis; pumped storage.
> > Chris
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: radsafe-bounces at agni.phys.iit.edu on behalf of Steven Dapra
> > Sent: Mon 03/10/2011 03:28
> > To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing 
> > List
> > Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Rational Thought
> >  
> > Oct. 2
> > 
> >          Where do you propose to store all this wind so that it can be
> 
> > used when it is needed?
> > 
> >          What does this ruthenium iron alloy have to do with anything?
> 
> > Ruthenium is a rare metal (74th most common), and only about 12 tons 
> > are mined per year.  Mined --- and we all know how much Greens like 
> > mining.
> > 
> >          See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruthenium for more.  Ru can 
> > be extracted from spent nuclear fuels.  Heh, heh.  Seriously --- it 
> > can.  Let's build nukes to get Ru so we can use wind power.  Rube 
> > Goldberg, where are you when we need you?
> > 
> > Steven Dapra
> > 
> > 
> > At 12:05 PM 10/2/2011, you wrote:
> > >Franz Schoenhofer wrote:
> > >
> > > > What has "nuclear" and "rational thought" to do with each other?
> > > >
> > > > In my home country Austria, there is legislation underway to 
> > > >forbid  import of "nuclear electricity" and even more, electricity 
> > > >generation  from non-renewable sources should be abandoned at the
> latest until 2050.
> > > >...
> > > > I am not joking, this is the idea of our parliament, initiated by 
> > > >the very  small minority of greens.
> > >
> > >Could this be because wind power has become two cents per kilowatt 
> > >hour less expensive than coal-fired generation over the past year?  
> > >Also Fischer-Tropsch carbon neutral methane and other fuel synthesis 
> > >has become far more efficient in the past three or four years due to 
> > >a new ruthenium iron alloy which can be plated on to electrolysis
> anodes.
> > >Given that sufficient wind to address daytime needs produces a huge 
> > >nighttime surplus, the effective cost of fuel synthesis for 
> > >transportation and storage (for intermittent wind leveling) is lower
> than fossil cost, too.
> > >
> > >At least in the US, this year wind turbine production and orders have
> 
> > >exceeded the extrapolation of its exponential curve, which would now 
> > >predict that virtually 100% of US power will be from wind before
> 2030.
> > >Even without any subsidies, it is foolish for any farm in even low 
> > >wind regions to forgo installing turbines, banks are on board, and in
> 
> > >windy regions they pay for themselves in eight months without
> subsidies.
> > >
> > >But I agree with the sentiment:  When the pendulum swings, it often 
> > >swings too far.  Most everyone is going to be as surprised as I am to
> 
> > >find me on the other side of the debate as we struggle to hold on to 
> > >enough research reactors to produce medical isotopes and plutonium 
> > >for the space program.
> > >
> > >Sincerely,
> > >James Salsman
> > 
> > 
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Franz Schoenhofer, PhD, MinRat
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Vienna
Austria
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