[ RadSafe ] Sr-90 in Maple Syrup, Ra-226 in mineral waters, Cs-137 in woodash, etc. was: Re: Re. Tritium found near VT Yankee (panic time!)

Busby, Chris C.Busby at ulster.ac.uk
Fri Sep 16 03:40:15 CDT 2011


Luning K G, Frolen H, Nelson A, Roennbaeck C, (1963) Genetic Effects of Strontium-90 injected into male mice. Nature, 197:304-5.

Experiment involved injecting Sr90 or Cs 137 same dose into male mice, mating them withing 1 hr and following the mothers to see infant deaths.

No effect from Cs137, big effect from Sr90. Experiment followed up by 

Smirnova E I, Lyaginska A M, (1969) Heart Development of Sr-90 Injured Rats, in Y. I. Moskalev and Y. I. Izd (eds.), Radioaktiv Izotopy Organizs (Moscow: Medizina), 348.

Same effect but autopsy of fetus showed develoipement defects mainly heart.
Sr binds to the phosphate backbone replacing Ca which stabilises it.

Many other Sr papers showing anomalous genotoxic effects e.g.:
Stokke T, Oftedal P, Pappas A, (1968) Effects of Small Doses of Radioactive Strontium on the Rat Bone Marrow, Acta Radiologica, 7: 321-9.

effects here at 1mSv or less.

Cheers
Chris




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Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Sr-90 in Maple Syrup, Ra-226 in mineral waters,Cs-137 in woodash,etc.  was: Re:  Re. Tritium found near VT Yankee 		 (panic time!)
 
Indeed?  Is the Sr90 incorporated into the genes, or the DNA
scaffolding?  Or one of the methyl groups that cause epigenetic changes?
In short, WHY is Sr90 strongly bound to DNA?  

Do you have any thoughts on the relative damage from the radiation from
Sr90 and K40, considering that K40 has over three times the energy?  

I am not saying that K40 is dangerous, as even if it were there is
nothing that can be done about it.  I do, however, doubt your assertion
that Sr90 is a particularly powerful genotoxin, mostly because you have
so damaged your credibility in the past.



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If you were a chemist, you would know that Sr90 binds strongly to DNA
whereas K40 does not. There is ample evidence in the literature that
Sr90 has powerful genotoxic effects compared with Cs137, and its effects
have been ascribed (in the literature) to this behaviour.
Grin
Chris

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From: radsafe-bounces at agni.phys.iit.edu on behalf of Michael E. Kitto
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Subject: [ RadSafe ]  Sr-90 in Maple Syrup, Ra-226 in mineral waters,
Cs-137 in woodash, etc.  was: Re:  Re. Tritium found near VT Yankee
(panic time!)
 


I know this is not news to many readers here, but Sr-90 is still
measurable
in milk (at least by my lab), and the Sr-90 is not from Fukushima.
Maybe
we should ban milk consumption by children  <grin>;  after all they are
drinking hundreds of gallons during childhood.  And just think of how
much
K-40 (1300 pCi/L) that the milk contains !! <grin again>.   One of my
goals
before retirement is to show, based on 50 yrs of environmental
measurement,
the absurdity of claims, such as with the Tooth Fairy Project.  I'd
reveal
how, but I don't want to play my hand openly here.

If I recall, in addition to the wood ash, dried solid waste sludge is
scattered on fields also.  I've analyzed some, it is nasty from all
angles.

Lastly, if VT politicians read some of the annual environmental
surveillance reports coming out of states (DOH or DEP) across the US,
they'd realize H-3 is detectable (our MDL is <100 pCi/L) nearly
everywhere,
and its not from VT Yankee.  There are huge sources/emitters of
environmental H-3, and they are commercial companies (e.g.,
self-luminous
exit signs) not NPPs.

 My personal viewpoints.
 Michael Kitto, PhD
 Nuclear Chemistry Laboratory, NYS DOH


>-- Sr-90 in commercial VT maple syrup due to bomb testing,
>-- or Ra-226 in commercial VT bottled waters due to God & the Big Bang
>-- or Cs-137 due to bomb testing [ present in 10,000 or so cubic meters
of
>ash from small VT wood burning power plants] at levels up to 9,000 or
so
>pCi/kg ash [300+  Bq/kg ash] being spread on home gardens and on large
>commercial organic farming co-op farms in Northeastern Vermont, on the
>table, as it were,  for honest evaluation.
>
>It's totally amusing [on a certain level] that stores like Whole Foods
or
>other Organic food product retailers are almost consistently strongly
>anti-nuclear power, and against food irradiation but are selling
Organic
>produce being fertilized with wood ash with elevated levels of Cs-137
from
>nuclear test fallout. Organic food and organic product sales is now a
$27
>billion a year market in the US. How much radioactive wood ash is used
as
>fertilizer in organic farming to replenish depleted potassium, and how
>would many consumers like to know woodash spread on the fields where
their
>crops are grown contain elevated levels of Cs-137 [and Sr-90]? I doubt
>Organic food consumers would be terribly thrilled with knowing this
fact.
>
>How fast would VT agencies or politicians be to criticize a trivial
level
>of H-3 in river water with essentially zero dose implications, or in a
>trivial amount of groundwater flowing into the CT river,  if  applying
the
>same standards to commercial products in their State were put under the
>same microscope? It would be fascinating to witness politicians and
>certain State agencies scramble to minimize the significance of the
above
>sources of nuclear test and natural radiation exposure from their
>commercial products if the public knew what they were consuming.
>
>Stewart Farber, MS Public Health
>
>Farber Medical Solutions, LLC
>Bridgeport, CT 06604
>SAFarber at optonline.net
>203-441-8433
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