[ RadSafe ] RadSafe Digest, Vol 921, Issue 2

Tue Mar 20 19:02:29 CDT 2012

So when do you see recovrey

Mark Sasser

On Mar 20, 2012, at 7:58 PM, Mark Sonter <sontermj at tpg.com.au> wrote:

> I think the more significant story is that around chain of command and communications:
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> A colleague visited (some years earlier) a japanese NPP as a member of an IAEA delegation, and asked what the decision-making process would be in case of an emergency; answer was, refer up to head office in Tokyo for direction.  He then asked 'what about if you lose all telecoms in a natural disaster like an earthquake?' And they *did not have a protocol for defaulting back to local decision-making*. He inferred from this a corporate cultural incapacity to devolve responsibility to the local level, something that every emergency response organization has drilled into it as essential...
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> Hence the extremely damaging delays in the first few days (not to mention of course that logistics was totally stuffed by the earthquake and tsunami anyway)...
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> When finally the desperate decision was made to inject seawater, it was apparently made by the local manager in defiance of orders from corporate office not to do so..
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> Repeat: the head office honchos cannot be as aware of all details of the local scene as the local managers, and really must defer to them in emergency situations.
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>>    1. Re: RadSafe Digest, Vol 919, Issue 1 (Thompson, Dewey L)
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>> From: "Thompson, Dewey L"<DThompson3 at ameren.com>
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>> Terry
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>> Well.  I agree with proviso.  I certainly have no problem with the concept of "Tsunami = Bad Juju", particularly for nuclear power plants.
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>> On the other hand, I suspect most of us had no clue that many of the supporting systems at the Fukushima installation were not constructed to be within a watertight area, nor that the nuclear regulatory function acted as it did.
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>> We in Radsafe (well, anyone working within the industry as well) certainly have a responsibility to identify safety issues that we perceive, and we have the responsibility to ensure the decision makers have the necessary facts and understanding necessary to make informed decisions.
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>> I wonder if ANYONE on Radsafe could have understood the particular risk issues at Fukushima prior to the accident.
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>> I wonder if there were any people within the Japanese organizations that had perceived these risks and communicated them to their higher ups?  If so, were the voices heard?
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>> THAT may well be the most telling lesson of Fukushima.
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>> Dewey
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>> PS.  Clayton.  Methinks your examples point more to the risks of regulators being too cozy than to the "western perception of regulatory theory".
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>> I complete agree that the Fukushima incident was foreseeable. However, RadSafe missed the boat on that one, too. Searching the archives one year ago brought up posts on tsunamis going back as far as 2001. In fact, many were dismissive of the threat.
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>> One can search the archives and find numerous discussions on tsunamis, planes crashing into reactors, waste train crashes, terrorists, etc. How often do we look at these and offer recommendations. How often do we check on what ideas were proposed and see if any were implemented.
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>> Is it our responsibility to do this? I think that a lesson learned from Fukushima is that we are responsible for bringing these concerns forward and making sure that if credible that they are dealt with.
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