[ RadSafe ] High Level Waste to WIPP

Tue May 22 11:43:32 CDT 2012

Hi, Jerry.

He specified extracting the useful fuel, so what you would be left with
is pretty hot fission fragments, and the other stuff in the fuel rods
not worth separating (reprocessing isn't my thing, so I am not up on the
details).

If it turns out there is a use for the fission fragments, well, we can
always make more.  

As for ocean dumping, I particularly like the idea of solidifying and
containing the material, then precision drop it into subduction zones,
where it is on a slow conveyer belt to the Earth's mantle.  Sure, it
will come back to the surface again through volcanoes, at least in
theory.  If the Solar System lasts that long.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of John R Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:05 AM
To: Jerry Cohen; The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics)
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Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] High Level Waste to WIPP

Jerry

Isn't the argument against this  "dump it in the ocean---"  is that we
may
need it as fuel in the future?

John

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Jerry Cohen <jjc105 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I used to think it was the NIMBY's, anti-nuks, and other assorted
crazies
> who
> have prevented an accepted nukwaste solution. Now I believe it is the
> politicians, bureaucrats, and "researchers" who want to preserve their
meal
> ticket by perpetuating the problem.
> Actually, HLW mgmt. is a simple problem, if all you were concerned
about
> was the
> potentially harmful health and safrty  effects--- reprocess and
extract
> useful
> fuel, solidify the waste in concrete, and dump it in the
ocean---assuming
> one
> really wants to resolve the problem.
> "A voice in the wilderness"
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jeff Terry <terryj at iit.edu>
> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
List
> <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> Sent: Mon, May 21, 2012 2:39:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] High Level Waste to WIPP
>
> Hi Roy,
>
> The two counties Eddy and Lea both want the waste. They bought 1000
acres
> of
> land for repositories, first SALT 2 and now since long term storage
has
> popped
> up, above ground temporary cask storage.
>
>
>
http://www.platts.com/RSSFeedDetailedNews/RSSFeed/ElectricPower/6008995
>
> No NIMBY there.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Jeff Terry
> Assoc. Professor of Physics
> Life Science Bldg Rm 166
> Illinois Institute of Technology
> 3101 S. Dearborn St.
> Chicago IL 60616
> 630-252-9708
> terryj at iit.edu
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 21, 2012, at 4:28 PM, ROY HERREN wrote:
>
> > Dan,
> >
> >    It pains me to write this, but you wrote "I personally see no
reason
> that
> > WIPP could not manage
> > high-level waste".  What is your best Bill Clinton type of a
definition
> of the
>
> > word "no"?  Did you mean "no" legitimate reason, or perhaps "no"
> scientific
> > reason?  Certainly you didn't mean to exclude "political - Not In My
> Backyard
> > (NIMBY) reasons....  It could be argued that the half life of NIMBY,
at
> least
> > in the minds of those who are dead set against anything remotely
having
> to do
> > with Nuclear Power, exceeds the length of the half life for all
known
> > radioactive isotopes combined.  ;-)  The NIMBY Luddites are
perfectly
> content
> > with the current status quo that is slowly killing the Nuclear
Industry.
> >  Roy Herren
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Dan McCarn <hotgreenchile at gmail.com>
> > To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
List
> > <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> > Sent: Wed, May 16, 2012 10:06:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] High Level Waste to WIPP
> >
> > Dear Christopher:
> >
> > Having been heavily involved over 4 years in the Performance
Assessment
> > group for the WIPP, I personally see no reason that WIPP could not
manage
> > high-level waste.  I was involved with the development of the
GRASPINV
> > inverse groundwater modeling code written to model / calibrate the
> > transmissivities with measured heads for the the Culebra Dolomite -
the
> > pathway to the accessible environment.
> >
> > --
> > Dan ii
> >
> > Dan W McCarn, Geologist
> > 108 Sherwood Blvd
> > Los Alamos, NM 87544-3425
> > +1-505-672-2014 (Home - New Mexico)
> > +1-505-670-8123 (Mobile - New Mexico)
> > HotGreenChile at gmail.com (Private email) HotGreenChile at gmail dot
com
> >
> > On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:59 AM, <Cmtimmpe at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The article presented in this URL:
> >>
> >> _
> >>
>
http://chronicle.augusta.com/news/aiken/2012-05-10/srs-nuke-waste-if-not
-yu
> >> cca-mountain-what-about-new-mexico?v=1336691258_
> >> (
> >>
>
http://chronicle.augusta.com/news/aiken/2012-05-10/srs-nuke-waste-if-not
-yucca-mountain-what-about-new
> >>w
> >> w
> >> -mexico?v=1336691258)
> >> is  interesting more because of the comments than the content.  The
> >> commenter's  all harp on the fact that putting HLW in WIPP is
illegal.
> >>  Somehow,
> >> they  seem to forget that laws are changed all the time to respond
to
> >> various
> >> changes  in our worlds.  I'd like to see more of the nuclear
community
> >> respond to  such negativism.
> >>
> >> Christopher  M. Timm, PE
> >> Vice President/Senior Project Manager
> >> PECOS Management  Services, Inc.
> >> 505-323-8355 - phone
> >> 505-323-2028 - fax
> >> 505-238-8174 -  mobile
> >>
> >>
> >>
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