[ RadSafe ] Climate change
StevenFrey at aol.com
StevenFrey at aol.com
Tue Feb 26 12:59:13 CST 2013
Unconvincing. And the "To deny any link between greenhouse gases and the
average Earth temperature reality is an extreme case of hubris"remark is not
only patronizing, it's hysteria weakens your claim.
Since global warming proponents got caught conspiring to ostracize critics
in the University of East Anglia email dump, global warming lost its
credibility. Moreover, changing of "global warming" to "climate change" is
actually refreshing, because it smacks of recognition by proponents that the
public isn't buying it. But, what a whopper of a mistake to rename it such
that every weather problem can be attributed to greenhouse gases. All of it,
all the time. You might as well cry "Wolf!".
Besides, why are we using RADSAF to discuss this off-topic issue, anyway?
MSNBC is a better forum for it.
In a message dated 2/26/2013 1:41:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Kjell.Johansen at nexteraenergy.com writes:
With regard to the 4 previously mentioned options regarding climate change
[warmer, colder, no change, or being hit by an asteroid], I am in the camp
that has come to the conclusion that the climate will move to higher
temperatures. [We were discussing this back in the '70s in my meteorology and
oceanography classes at the University of Michigan and those profs were smart
guys.] Any change in the solar output or axis wobble will make some small
changes. Continuing to pump greenhouse gases (methane, CFCs, and carbon
dioxide) into the atmosphere increases the heat containing capacity of the
atmosphere. (Ok, to be technically correct, you are increasing the capacity
of the atmosphere to capture outgoing radiation and radiating back to the
earth as heat. But, in the overall picture, it results in an increase in
the earth's temperature.) By analogy with solar output and axis wobble,
compare the water content of an 8-oz glass to that of a 16-oz glass. No matter
how the rate at
which you fill the glasses, the 16-oz glass will always contain more
water. Therefore, more greenhouse gases, higher temperatures.
Look at the records in the oceanic sediment cores and the ice cores. When
the greenhouse gases CO2 and methane concentrations are high, so are all
of the geochemical markers for increased temperature, ie, the O18/O16
ratios, etc. To deny any link between greenhouse gases and the average earth
temperature is an extreme case of reverse hubris.
Too many people who regularly contribute to RADSAFE tend to dismiss the
data which lead climatologists to be concerned about higher earth
temperatures because it does not fit their already formed conclusions. Being
flippant is not worthy response to scientific concerns.
As always, these words are my own and I do not intend to formulate any
official position for my employer.
Kjell Johansen, PhD
Nuclear Chemistry Analyst
kjell.johansen at NextERAEnergy.com
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