[ RadSafe ] Teller and Climate change - and radiophobia

Miller, Mark L mmiller at sandia.gov
Mon Mar 18 16:31:56 CDT 2013

Amen to that!


*        REAL radiation risks are probably "100-1000" lower than our conservative standards imply that they are

*        These overly-conservative standards and general radiophobia lead to grossly over-engineered nuclear facilities

*        This over-engineering grossly inflates the cost of nuclear facilities

*        Inflated costs discourage broader use of a marvelous technology

*        Mankind worldwide suffers unnecessarily because too many resources are frittered away over-designing things...disposal facilities that will prevent a few mrem or microSv in 100,00 - 1 million years  ...give me a break!


-----Original Message-----
From: Victor Anderson [mailto:victor.anderson at frontier.com]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 4:31 PM
To: 'Eric Goldin'; 'The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) MailingList'
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Teller and Climate change

Good Afternoon,

One inconvenient fact; 70 million years ago carbon dioxide levels were about

6,000 ppm.  The earth did not change into a "hot house" planet like Venus.

Life is still very sustainable.  So what if the global temperature is rising.  Go look at number for human generated carbon dioxide emissions and divide it my the mass of the atmosphere. You come out with a number in the range of 20 ppm.  (I triple dare you).  This simple exercise does not square with the doom and gloom predictions.  Can someone please tell the truth for once?

Now about Yucca Mountain.  Placing spent fuel bundles underground is indeed safe.  The problem is that 50% of each bundle is useable fuel.  That has to do with the way nuclear reactors work.  (No, the used fuel stored in Yucca Mountain can't go critical; wrong geometry for one thing.)  So, my big objection to Yucca Mountain is that we are throwing away billions of dollars of perfectly good fuel.  The United Stated should be reprocessing all of that fuel.  Proliferation of nuclear weapons is a pure bullshit argument.

The United States already is a nuclear power.  By reprocessing the used fuel, we would be turning in into a useable product and the radioactive material left could easily be made into compact, easily disposed packages.

Ultimately, the radioactive waste could be transmuted into very short lived radioactive materials that decay to inert materials in a very short time.

DOE is working on transmutation.  Its really an engineering problem having to do with getting costs down so that is competitive with burial.  Our problems with using nuclear energy to make electricity has more to do with politics and flawed thinking than anything else.  The accident at Fukushima was about as bad as it can get.  Number of deaths from radiation: ZERO.

Yes, I am including the hypothetical cancer deaths from the low radiation levels outside the plant.  I want to see the bodies with the toe tags that say, "Died from radiation induced cancer due the Fukushima nuclear accident."  No one will be able to do that, because that are not there and won't be.


-----Original Message-----

From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu

[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Eric Goldin

Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:54 PM

To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu

Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Teller and Climate change

Thanks for some rational thought Susan.   I always wonder about those who accept computer models showing the safety of Yucca Mountain and reject the computer models showing climate change.  Ya can't have your cake and eat it too . . . .   Eric Goldin, CHP

 te: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 23:56:05 -0500

From: S L Gawarecki <slgawarecki at gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Teller and Climate change

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How many of these scientists are CLIMATE scientists?

Think about how many scientists with the Union of Concerned Scientists are convinced that nuclear power can never be safe, that any level of radiation exposure will cause cancer, etc.

Scientists taking positions outside of their field are not much better at judging the pertinent technical issues than the informed lay person.

Moreover, they are not immune from having political and social agendas themselves.

And if you reject global warming, I can send numerous links that demonstrate the accelerated melting of mountain glaciers, ice caps, and sea ice over the past 40 or so years.


**Susan Gawarecki*

ph: 865-494-0102

cell:  865-604-3724

SLGawarecki at gmail.com<mailto:SLGawarecki at gmail.com>

Howard Long wrote:

"Edward Teller leads our 32,000 scientists, at www.petitionproject.org<http://www.petitionproject.org> with conclusive data backing REJECTION  of the selective, global tax hoax of global cooling, global warming or climate change."



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