[ RadSafe ] Treating Coal-fired plant waste as TENORM

Maury maurysis at peoplepc.com
Tue Dec 16 02:37:36 CST 2014

Is this from amazon.com the one?

    Controlled Test Atmospheres: Principles and Techniques

by Gary O. Nelson 


$2.02used & new(22 offers) 


On 12/15/2014 7:32 PM, JPreisig at aol.com wrote:
> Radsafe,
>       That is one book.  The book I sort of  remember was called Controlled
> Test Atmospheres and it was published by the  University of Michigan???
>       Joe Preisig
> In a message dated 12/15/2014 8:22:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> bsdnuke at gmail.com writes:
> The book  was Particle Size Analysis and Industrial Hygiene.  I believe it
> was  edited by Mel First. (sorry if I misspelled names).
> On Mon, Dec 15,  2014 at 4:48 PM, Franz Schönhofer<
> franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>   wrote:
>> I enjoyed this thread,  because it reminds me on the good old times of
>> RADSAFE with its lively  discussions, with all the pros and  cons on
>> scientific (!!!)  topics ...... I enjoyed it especially because it -
>> hopefully - ends  the forwarding of messages of clearly mentally ill
>> persons. I also see  from the contributions the knowledge on those topics
>> which had been  rather new several decades ago. Nice to see the progress!
>> Forgive me  if I forward old fashioned opinions in the future (some might
>> not be  all to old fashioned.)
>> Franz
>>   -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: JPreisig at aol.com
>> Sent:  Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:28 PM
>> To:  radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Treating  Coal-fired plant waste as TENORM
>> Mike  Brennan,
>>      I don't do stack  measurements  professionally.  I expect such
>> measurements  are done across the top of a  stack, at various distances
>> across  the
>> stack.  I believe there are also  places along the stack  where sampling
>> ports
>> can be opened and more sampling can   be done.  Various computer codes
>> (Airdose, CAP-88 etc.) can be  gotten from  RSICC (Radiation Shielding
> Info
>> Center)
>> at  Oak Ridge.  See their  website.  Coal, Oil, Natural Gas etc.  will
>> eventually diminish.  If  there are not enough Nuclear  Fission plants,
>> life will
>> not be good.
>> I enjoy your  posts, Mike.
>>      Regards,   Joe  Preisig
>> In a message dated 12/9/2014 1:16:15 P.M.  Eastern Standard Time,
>> Mike.Brennan at DOH.WA.GOV  writes:
>> I've had  some classes on air sampling, and have  been involved in
>> environmental air  sampling and radon for some  years.  I admit that I am
>> not highly
>> confident that  sampling from the edge of a stack meters is truly
>> representative,  especially concerning a noble gas.  I also admit to
>> having doubts  as
>> to how well most dispersion models handle such a gas.    In any event,
>> pulling the contribution from a particular stack to  outdoor  radon would
>> be a
>> challenge, given the flux of  radon coming out of the ground  (a flux that
>> varies
>>   nonlinearly both over time and across locations).   Knowing that it
> happens
>> is useful for pointing out the inconsistencies of the   anti-nuke side,
> but
>> should a coal-burning plant ever reach the point  where  radon is the
>> biggest
>> risk factor in its emissions,  they would truly be "clean  coal".
>> -----Original  Message-----
>> From:  radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
>>   [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of
>>   JPreisig at aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 5:07 PM
>>   To:  radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ]  Treating Coal-fired  plant waste as TENORM
>>   Radsafe,
>> Ever hear of  a Pitot tube???  Find books  on  Air Sampling and Analysis.
>> Man, this takes me back to my Air  Sampling and  Analysis course with Ray
>> Manganelli and Jill Lipoti  at Rutgers.  Can't even  remember what  the
> book
>> was  called, but it was good reading.  Frank Haughey  made  me take  Air
>> Sampling instead of Mathematical Physics.
>> EPA  documents must be loaded with information (see  their  websites
> also)
>> on how to measure Radon and how to grab samples.    The  carbon absorber
>> test
>> kits were around New Jersey  Department of  Environmental  Protection.
> The
>> Reading  Prong (geologically  speaking) is right next to New  Jersey.
>>   People
>> in Pennsylvania  still test for Radon in their homes  and  need to.  You
> can
>> measure  stack effluents with a  pitot tube, provided you  make the
>> measurements   correctly.  Search the internet, baby.  It is  all out
>>   there.
>> Regards,   Joe Preisig
>>   PS   Perhaps also check the New Jersey Department of  Environmental
>> Protection  (Radiation Protection Programs) website  and the archives
> there.
>> NJDEP RPP still has a Radon group, I think,  and you could call or email
>> them,
>> if needed.  NJDEP RPP  was a nice place to work.  Some NJDEP RPP  folks
>>   lurk
>> on Radsafe, I think.  Hi  Herb!!!!
>>   _______________________________________________

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