[ RadSafe ] X-Ray Art: A Deeper Look at Everyday Objects

Wed Feb 12 09:36:43 CST 2014

I agree that there SHOULD be some sort of benefit - but I can't think of any regs that say that there MUST be a benefit to the person being x-rayed. And, for that matter, I'm sure there are many who would feel that producing a work of art is a net benefit to society that would justify a very low dose to an informed person. And, again, the person being x-rayed might indeed receive a benefit - albeit psychological rather than medical - from having their foot displayed in a gallery somewhere.

Personally, I think it's sort of nutty - but I don't think that it's forbidden by the regs.

Andy

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Andy, probably some statement in NCRP, ICRP or other ISO Standard that states any x-ray should receive a medical benefit. I can't recall where I've seen that. An analogy would be the crack-down on Shopping Cenbter CT Scanning facilities that could be considered for a medical benefit, yet many of them were closed down in specific States, if not all.

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Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] X-Ray Art: A Deeper Look at Everyday Objects

We can argue that the person whose foot was x-rayed might derive some benefit, if only the personal pleasure in having an x-ray of their foot sold or displayed as a work of art - just as the subjects of artists and photographers might also derive a similar pleasure. The radiation dose is almost certainly less than 1 mSv (100 mrem) to the subject, so they aren't running afoul of any dose limits, and to the best of my knowledge there is no regulation prohibiting the exposure of persons for artistic purposes.

So as long as the x-ray machine is registered properly, operated properly, the room is properly shielded, the user is trained, the subject is properly informed and gives their consent, and all the other regulatory requirements are met I can't see a reason (regulatory or health physics-wise) to prohibit this activity.

Andy

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Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] X-Ray Art: A Deeper Look at Everyday Objects

The possible concerns are justification and ethics, especially when
subjecting people and other species to radiation exposures.  It does not
appear that the exposed individuals have derived any benefits from the
exposure.  The so called Xogram of human foot in high-heeled shoe is
similar to x-ray shoe-fitting.  That was practised in the mid 20th century
and long been considered unjustified.

Clement Cheng

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In America, under our inherited Anglo-American legal tradition, that which
is not prohibited is allowed.

I've heard that the Napoleonic system and apparently the totalitarian
systems in Nazi Germany, the former Soviet Union, (and creeping into
America), that which is not explicitly allowed is prohibited.

In the USA, "industrial radiography" might regulate this art here and has
its own set of rules & regulations.

I don't know how Dutch legal traditions approach these questions.

Prof. Vos, could you please enlighten us about the Dutch approach to such
questions?

Robert Cihak M.D.

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[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Cary Renquist
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He is artist in residence at the British Institute of Radiology So, UK
laws.

National Geographic has a brief interview with him here:
Hugh Turvey: Inside the Life of an X-Ray Artist
http://j.mp/1m2W8f4
He mentions that the foot in the stiletto "is made more unique by
radiation
law amendments", so it must have been legal in the UK to perform such
x-rays
at the time, ~1996.

I don't think that the human x-rays for art would be legal in any of the
U.S. States (x-rays are regulated by individual states in the U.S.)

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Cary Renquist
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[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Vos, C.S.
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Dear radsafe readers,

I'm not familiair with the US laws involved in regulation of radiation.
So please, which part of your laws justified the use of X-ray in this kind
of art.

Kees Vos
RSO
Utrecht University
The Netherlands

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[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] Namens Cary Renquist
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Onderwerp: [ RadSafe ] X-Ray Art: A Deeper Look at Everyday Objects

Turvey, artist in residence at the British Institute of Radiology, has
continued his work to show the hidden interiors of everyday objects: ""I
view most of the world around me in terms of how I imagine it is
internally
and how it would look if we were to try and x-ray it." Learn what
motivates
him in this Smithsonian profile:
X-Ray Art: A Deeper Look at Everyday Objects http://j.mp/1dCEpRw

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Cary Renquist
crenquist at isotopeproducts.com<mailto:crenquist at isotopeproducts.com> or cary.renquist at ezag.com<mailto:cary.renquist at ezag.com>

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