[ RadSafe ] Fwd: X-Ray Art: A Deeper Look at Everyday Objects

Wed Feb 12 17:02:41 CST 2014

It seems to me that
1) As some have stated, the image that included the foot occurred long enough ago that it probably wasn't prohibited.
2) It is mentioned that he works with/for a facility so there is nothing to prevent him from using the image that was produced for an approved diagnostic procedure (with medical benefit). So even today, with all of our regulations, what's to prevent him from getting permission from the patient and turn it into art?
3) Many of us might be exposed to radiation (even from x-ray machines) as part of our jobs yet we do not receiving any medical benefit. I was always led to believe that employees exposed to radiation are receiving a benefit in the form of a salary. ALARA is practiced but occasionally x-ray techs do get exposed while holding a baby/child in position. If the model is being paid, would this make it alright?

Just some thoughts. 

I agree with the general consensus that "art" doesn't really meet the definition of "benefit" as the term is regularly used and ALARA suggests that this isn't the best idea in the world. But, in general if a well-informed individual wants to participate in such art, who am I, or the government, to say they shouldn't? 

Good thing he has resorted to "still life" art and essentially ended the debate...for now.

"With great power must also come great responsibility." - Stan Lee

Todd Maxwell, MS
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The Scripps Research Institute
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-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Ted de Castro
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Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Fwd: X-Ray Art: A Deeper Look at Everyday Objects

I guess we are from the same "time zone" as I recall the same experience! ...... and still have all my toes as well.
On 2/12/2014 10:36 AM, Doug Aitken wrote:
> It's kinda moot, as the specific picture people seem to be focusing on has a rider about the change in UK regs.
>
> We learn, and get more prescriptive. Sometimes to excess....
> BTW, As a kid, I loved going to the shoe store and look at the x-ray image of my feet. Still have all my toes.....
> Regards
> Doug
>
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> PHILIP
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> Objects
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> OK - hadn't seen that one. So I stand corrected. Thanks!
>
> Andy
>
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> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Chris Alston
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> Hi Andy
>
> Many states (a good central reference point is the Suggested State Regs of the CRCPD) do have regs such as these from the Washington Administrative Code (WAC) Title 246-225:
>
> (g) Persons shall not be exposed to the useful beam except for healing arts purposes. Only a licensed practitioner of the healing arts shall authorize an exposure to the useful beam. This requirement prohibits deliberate exposure for the following purposes:
> (i) Exposure of an individual for training, demonstration, or other 
> purposes unless there are also healing arts requirements and proper 
> prescription is provided;
> (ii) Except for mammography performed by registered facilities on 
> self-referred patients, the exposure of an individual for the purpose 
> of healing arts screening without prior written approval of the state 
> health officer; and
> (iii) Exposure of an individual for the sole purpose of satisfying a third party's prerequisite for reimbursement under any health care plan, except for exposure required under medicare provisions.
>
> Cheers
> cja
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> From: KARAM, PHILIP <PHILIP.KARAM at nypd.org>
> Date: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] X-Ray Art: A Deeper Look at Everyday Objects
> To: "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List" <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu> I agree that there SHOULD be some sort of benefit - but I can't think of any regs that say that there MUST be a benefit to the person being x-rayed. And, for that matter, I'm sure there are many who would feel that producing a work of art is a net benefit to society that would justify a very low dose to an informed person. And, again, the person being x-rayed might indeed receive a benefit - albeit psychological rather than medical - from having their foot displayed in a gallery somewhere.
> Personally, I think it's sort of nutty - but I don't think that it's forbidden by the regs.
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