[ RadSafe ] Man pleads guilty in plot to build mobile death ray

Tue Jan 28 16:27:20 CST 2014

Franz,

I second your comment about Clayton. I had a few opportunities to work with
him when we had some issues with maintenance on gauging systems in our
Rochester, NY facility.  I am also glad you are joining me on the NSA list;
I am sure that as a Naturalized Citizen with relatives in Hamburg and other
"Terrorist Hot-spots" over there, they are keeping an eye on me!

Best Regards,

Hans

*Retirement is, when the only day you have to set your alarm clock is
Sunday - so you are not late for church!*

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Franz Schönhofer <
franz.schoenhofer at chello.at> wrote:

> Clayton, after having read quite a few of your posts I dare say, that you
> are one of the persons with common sense! (I hope that the positive
> valueing of a non-US-citizen does not harm your reputation....).
>
> As someone else on RADSAFE pointed out already, to classify a thought (in
> this case of a sick brain, which never had the slightest chance to be put
> into practice because of natures laws) as a crime is just ridiculous. The
> NSA reminds me on George Orwells Novel 1984, in which a totalitarian state
> watches all of its inhabitants full time via screens in every room and
> outside. Even thoughts are classified as crimes. I would really recommend
> everybody to read this novel, which is also a classical highlight.
>
> I would rather propose to test those two persons for paranoia and psychic
> problems.
>
> I appreciate your sarcasm about "selling their idea to the US government".
> I have personal communcations, that similar has occurred after the
> establishment of the Homeland Security Office.
>
> OK, NSA, now you can add more to my file!
>
> Best wishes to RADSAFE!
>
> Franz
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Clayton J Bradt
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 8:55 PM
> To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
> Cc: PHILIP.KARAM at nypd.org
> Subject: [ RadSafe ] Man pleads guilty in plot to build mobile death ray
>
>
>
> Conspiring to do something that is physically impossible, however
> reprehensible the intent, should not be a crime.  Neither building a remote
> on/off switch, nor an x-ray system, are  illegal acts, per se.  For that
> matter, designing and building a weapons system is perfectly legal and in
> fact is one of this country's leading industries.  Thousands of individuals
> work in private companies and government facilities creating the most
> abominable destructive devices and are unmolested by the FBI or US
> Attorneys.  Suppose these two clowns, after building their death ray,
> decided to sell it to the US government?  That would make them
> entrepreneurs, not terrorists.
>
> Clayton J. Bradt
> Principal Radiophysicist
> NYS Dept. of Health
> 518-474-1993
> *****************************************************inhabitants
> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 21:29:34 +0000
> From: "KARAM, PHILIP" <PHILIP.KARAM at nypd.org>
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Man pleads guilty in plot to build mobile
> death ray
> To: "radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu" <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
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> Intent to commit a crime has always been punishable as long as that intent
> was leading towards an illegal act. So, for example, saying "I ought to
> kill (fill in the blank)" is just spouting off; buying a rope, lead bricks,
> a body bag, and conducting surveillance on (fill in the blank) is against
> the law, even if you never actually use them.
>
> Similarly, conspiring to commit an illegal act - putting together a team,
> developing an action plan, and taking concrete steps towards your nefarious
> goal - is illegal even if you are busted before committing the crime. In
> fact, this is usually lauded as good policing.
>
> The question that this particular case raises is whether or not it's
> illegal to have a conspiracy that plots to do something that's physically
> impossible. In other words, should these jokers go to prison, to summer
> school for remedial physics, or should they be institutionalized?
>
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu [
> mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Clayton J Bradt
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 4:23 PM
> To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
> Subject: [ RadSafe ] Man pleads guilty in plot to build mobile death ray
>
>
>
> It is frightening that thought crimes are punished in this country.  How
> did we come to this and how do we get out of it?
>
> Clayton J. Bradt
> Principal Radiophysicist
> NYS Dept. of Health
> 518-474-1993
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