[ RadSafe ] OT: Global Warming

Tue May 20 12:38:48 CDT 2014

Radsafe,

      You don't need 10,000 years of data to  explain what is going on.  30 
years of Chandler Wobble and Annual Wobble  data should do just fine.  Do 
some rudimentary data fitting for the Earth  wobble data from 1984 on.  There 
are 2 Chandler wobbles, of similar  periodicity.  Also there is an Annual 
wobble.  See books by  Munk  and MacDonald and Lambeck (2 books).  The 2 
Chandler Wobble Peaks are  described in the Geophysics literature.  Do these 
fits and then you can  worry about all the other Earth periodicities etc.

     Joe Preisig

In a message dated 5/20/2014 1:10:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
PHILIP.KARAM at nypd.org writes:

Interesting - but, again, not all that meaningful from the  perspective of 
really understanding what's happening with climate due to the  brevity of 
the time span in question. To use a radiological analogy - how  accurately can 
you characterize an environmental sample with only a few Bq of  activity 
with 1 minute of counting time? 

Andy

-----Original  Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu  
[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Brian Riely
Sent:  Tuesday, May 20, 2014 12:55 PM
To: The International Radiation Protection  (Health Physics) Mailing List
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] OT: Global  Warming

According to numerous sources there has not been any global  warming for 
approximately 18 yrs.

On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:16 AM,  KARAM, PHILIP 
<PHILIP.KARAM at nypd.org>wrote:

> I know there's  data for a short period of time. But even 30 years' 
> worth of data  isn't going to answer questions that play out over 
> centuries or  millennia or longer.
>
> At the moment the Earth appears to be  warming - which it has been 
> doing more or less for about 10,000 years  since the last glacial 
> retreat - but the last couple of million years  have been abnormally 
> cold from the viewpoint of the history of the  earth. So if the Earth 
> is warmer (or
> colder) this year than  it was last year can we make any claims about 
> what that means for a  century or two from now? For that matter, if the 
> last decade - or two  or three decades - has been warmer (or colder) 
> than the previous ones  can we make any predictions about long-term 
climate change?
> Not  really, because we're not sure if we're stuck in a random (and
>  expected) fluctuation in climate or if it portends a longer-term  trend.
>  Thirty years of data - no matter how high-quality -  simply isn't 
> enough to make any firm predictions.
>
> As  one example - the Little Ice Age last a few centuries. Were that to 
>  happen today we'd be desperately pumping CO2 into the atmosphere to 
>  try to prevent glaciers from bulldozing New York and Chicago. But it 
>  turned out to be a temporary fluctuation in earth's temperature. 
>  Similarly, the Medieval Warm Period lasted for over 300 years - we'd 
>  have called this a period of global warming - ironically ending with 
>  the Little Ice Age. Again - 30 years of the highest-quality data 
>  during either of these periods would have given us a completely 
>  misleading view of the climate. And thirty years of high-quality data 
>  today cannot tell us if we are inside of a temporary fluctuation (like  
> either of these two periods) or experiencing a long-term (millennia  or 
longer) trend in temperature.
>
>
> P. Andrew Karam, PhD,  CHP
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> -----Original Message-----
> From:  radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu [mailto:
>  radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of JPreisig at aol.com
>  Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 2:39 PM
> To:  radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] OT: Global  Warming
>
> Radsafe,
>
>        High quality data in Earth Rotation/wobble  and Atmospheric 
>  Angular Momentum exist since 1984.  See Goddard Space  Flight  Center's 
VLBI Website.
> Earth thermal data, maybe    also????  Plot the data and do data fitting 
and
> see the  results.  No  need to Cherry pick, Karam.
>
>   Joe Preisig.
>
>
>
>
> In a  message dated 5/19/2014 10:46:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
>  PHILIP.KARAM at nypd.org writes:
>
> The  problem is that we  can't look at ANY data from just a few years - 
> even from an   entire decade - and make definitive statements about 
> what's going to  happen  over the next century or longer. And we can't 
> really  cherry-pick only those  data that support what we think (or 
>  would like) to be true. If this trend  continues for the next 10-20  
> years then I'd be willing to believe it's more  than just a  slight 
fluctuation.
>
> Andy
>
>
>  -----Original  Message-----
> From:  radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
>  [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of 
>  JPreisig at aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 2:34 PM
> To:   radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
> Subject: [ RadSafe ] OT: Global   Warming
>
> Hey All,
>
> KISS (Keep It Simple   S....).
>
> Last year the ice volume at one of the  Earth  poles  started to become 
> more icy.
>
>
> When  the Earth poles resolidify, less water is  available for the 
>  Earth mid-latitudes and droughts occur.
>
> And when the ice   caps melt (1998???), water is  available in the 
> mid-latitudes  and  droughts occur less.
>
>
> Joe   Preisig
>
>
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