[ RadSafe ] USA Drought
Scubaeqhp
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Tue Sep 15 16:40:29 CDT 2015
How about if we get back to radiation related issues?
Anyone have a link to what the current status of Fukushima is?
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A few quick thoughts.
There was a time when CA was encouraged to be
self-sufficient because of
transportation issues (Dairy products come to
mind)
Israel has water issues and has done a lot to be able to minimize water
usage
One proffered solution was to artificially raise the price of water
until
a supply/demand equilibrium was established
So now that we're locked
in to CA agriculture, as was stated earlier maybe
it's time for some serious
thoughts about infra-structure.
BTW, I'm a kayaker and semi-outdoors type so
I'm all in favor of free
flowing streams. On the other hand, nothing feels
better after a cold day
on the river, than a looooong warm shower. ;-)
- -
jmr
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Water storage and utilization is
certainly part of the problem. But the
root cause is that much of California
is a desert or near-desert, which
happens to be home to several million
people, several million lawns,
industry, and a lot of crops. If people were
not trying to live in and to
farm a desert then water storage, snowpack depth,
and so forth would be a
non-issue.
For what it's worth, California is not
alone in this - Las Vegas may be
the most egregious example, but much of the
Great Plains is also
near-desert (and, in fact, was known as the Great
American Desert before
the discovery - and exploitation - of the Ogallala
Aquifer). At some point
this aquifer is going to dry up or become unusable,
which will really suck
for the couple of million people and all of the
agriculture from southern
South Dakota, western Kansas and Oklahoma, the Texas
panhandle, and
eastern Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico - all desert areas
that are
supported by "mining" groundwater.
There was a comedy routine a
few decades ago that is particularly
relevant. The comedian (Sam Kinison I
believe) was talking about a famine
in a desert country. He pantomimed picking
up a handful of sand and
letting it dribble through his fingers while saying
"See this? This is
sand. You live in a desert. We have deserts in America too
- we just don't
live in them." (laughter)
But, alas, we
do.
Andy
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As a CA resident, this does strike a bit of a nerve with me. Our
drought
is not only self-inflicted, it is government inflicted. It is not the
fault of the farmers and the crops they grow, it is not the fault of the
metropolis' population using water for whatever. We haven't built a dam
here in some 50 years to store water and as best I can tell, there are no
plans for the future, just fining those who are in violation of an
arbitrary
restriction. Saving the Delta Smelt is actually separate from
building
reservoirs but the same people are behind (or not behind, as the
case may be)
both/either of them as a solution. Maybe the upcoming
forecasted El Nino will
help but only for a short time.
Jeff Johanning
Sr. Health Physicist V /
RSO
Leidos, Inc.
858-826-9725
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I get nervous when people use phrases like "... to save a smelt
fish..."
and "... drains into the ocean", because it often is followed by,
"...so
let' pipe the Columbia down to California where it can be used, instead
of
wasting it by letting it go into the ocean." Fresh water flowing into
salt water is WAY more complex than draining or wasting. There are
ecological, economic, political, and even geologic factors involved in
messing with a river more than a few tens of percent. Often the long term
loss of messing with the flow is larger than the gain (though by the time
that is realized it may be too late to change back).
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It's not all self-inflicted. From what I've read some of it relates
more
to the water collection and storage. The current system is designed to
collect and use water from snow melt. No snow, no snow melt. They've not
yet developed adequate methods of collecting rain/stormwater and
collecting
it in reservoirs so it pretty much runs through storm drains
into the ocean.
I'm sure that this is a woefully inadequate
oversimplification on my part, but
the main point is that they're geared
toward getting water from snow, not
rain.
Ronald Amoling, RSO / EHS Manager
American Science and Engineering,
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CA's
problems may in fact be self- inflicted. 40 years of not building and
utilizing storage reservoirs to save a smelt fish might be one
reason...
John
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There is
plenty of moisture available in the atmosphere whether icecaps
are freezing or
not (and they are currently melting). The California
drought is a result of at
least a couple of problems.
1. Changing storm tracks - in recent years a
persistent high pressure
system has developed in the Gulf of Alaska
(normally under the
influence of
the Aleutian Low), which has diverted the
jet stream, and this causes
Pacific cyclones to bear northwards away from
California then dip
southwards in the mid-continent. Coincidentally, the
Gulf of Alaska has
warmed as much as 5 degrees above its normal seasonal
averages.
2. Winter temperatures in the Sierra Nevada are warmer, so that
rain is
increasing in proportion to snow. Snow pack is what feeds the
reservoirs
into late summer, and consequently the water distribution
systems.
Climatologists are hopeful that a strong El Nino predicted for this
year
will restore normal storm tracks and bring more rain to California. I say
"prepare for mudslide season."
Regards,
*Susan Gawarecki*
ph:
865-494-0102
cell:
865-604-3724
SLGawarecki at gmail.com
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