[ RadSafe ] Australian Uranium in Antarctic Ice ?

Tue Jul 26 13:55:02 CDT 2016

I agree.  Plus, if I were to find an increase in dust, I would be more likely to believe it came from an open pit mine, with blasting and big equipment lifting and dumping HUGE amounts of material every day, rather than believe it came from people driving down dirt roads, if both were a thousand miles away.

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I'm guessing that they're looking at the timing. If (for example) U concentrations in Antarctic ice started rising shortly after they started mining U in Australia - and especially if the rise in U tracks with the increase in mining - then one can infer that dust from the mining activities is responsible for the increased U in glaciers. To make a case for it being from U in surface dirt and dust you'd have to show that weather changed in such a way as to cause elevated levels of dust wafting down to Antarctica at the time in question.

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OK, but if the background is so high -- as we can see on the map, in the Flinders Ranges, etc. -- then why wouldn't the Antarctic uranium come from dust raised there, rather than the mine, where surrounding region clearly reads lower ?

Sorry, I'm not following the logic.

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 Jaro
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Jaro - the background is probably too high on land to distinguish that. In ice, it would be more distinctive, but probably just trace. That's why t would be important to determine the other associated trace metals. Copper would be dominant.

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On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 6:17 AM, Jaro Franta <jaro_10kbq at videotron.ca>
wrote:

> Dan,
> Wouldn't they also show up on the Radiometric Map, in the vicinity of RD ?
> https://db.tt/pN8fmZNI
> Thnx
>
>  Jaro
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Dan McCarn
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 11:06 PM
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> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Australian Uranium in Antarctic Ice ?
>
> Those same dusts, if they are from Roxby Downs (Olympic Dam), would 
> also have elevated levels of copper, silver, & gold.
>
> Dan W McCarn
> 108 Sherwood Blvd
> Los Alamos, NM 87544 USA
> +1-505-670-8123
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 25, 2016, at 12:55, KARAM, PHILIP <PHILIP.KARAM at nypd.org> wrote:
> >
> > I guess one question to ask is how uranium is mined in Australia. If 
> > it's
> largely open-pit mines (or some other process that generates a lot of 
> airborne dust) then it's certainly plausible. Ice cores from Greenland 
> have been shown to have elevated lead concentrations in strata 
> corresponding to the Roman Empire and are interpreted as reflecting 
> the processing of lead ore and the use of lead by the Romans. And we 
> know (as someone else mentioned earlier) that African dust has been 
> tracked across the Atlantic, as has Chinese dust across the Pacific.
> So the thought that Australian dust might make its way to the 
> Antarctic Peninsula is certainly reasonable - if the uranium is mined 
> or
processed in such a way that generates dust.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > P. Andrew Karam, PhD, CHP
> > NYPD Counterterrorism
> > One Police Plaza, Room 1109
> > New York, NY 10038
> > (718) 615-7055 (desk)
> > (646) 879-5268 (mobile)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> > [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Jaro 
> > Franta
> > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 3:46 PM
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> List'
> > Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Australian Uranium in Antarctic Ice ?
> >
> > Or, to be precise, Uranium from Australian MINES is claimed to be 
> > found
> in
> Antarctic ice.
> >
> > What do you make of it ?
> >
> > http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1352231016304423
> >
> > ------------------
> >
> > My thoughts:
> >
> > Looking closely at a Radiometric Map of Australia (
> https://db.tt/pN8fmZNI
> ), I see that the region around Roxby Downs, the town next to Olympic 
> Dam mine (producers of both uranium & copper) has a low surface 
> concentration of uranium.
> > Certainly lower than the Flinders Ranges to the east, or other areas 
> > to
> the south.
> > That being the case, how can lead researcher Mariusz Potocki 
> > reasonably
> expect readers to believe his claim that uranium found in Antarctica 
> comes from Australian uranium mines ?
> > Does he propose some sort of magical transport mechanism that avoids 
> > the
> regions where mines are located, going directly to Antarctica ?
> >
> > It seems that, if anything, the Uranium found in Antarctic ice must 
> > be dust from the erosion of the Flinders Range and other large 
> > geological features that standout in the Radiometric Map of 
> > Australia ( https://db.tt/pN8fmZNI )
> >
> > Is there similar experience elsewhere in the world, such as dust 
> > blowing
> off the Sahara desert, from U-loaded phosphate deposits ?
> > How much is from mining, and how much from general soil erosion ?
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > Jaro Franta
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> >
> > .
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