[ RadSafe ] Roger that!
McClung, Danny
Danny.McClung2 at va.gov
Tue Jan 2 09:17:57 CST 2018
Simmer down, folks. I have met Roger Helbig in person. He is very anti-anti-nuclear. He brings these items to our attention, so that we are fully aware of the "scientific hogwash" circulating, which may be influencing the thoughts of non-scientific persons. We should be prepared to the answer questions of the layperson, who has little or no knowledge of radiation, and the science thereof. Knowing what we are up against is a good start, in my opinion.
Danny
Danny K. McClung, BS, RRPT, Health Physicist
Radiological Consultant for Post Deployment Health Service
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ RadSafe ] RadSafe Digest, Vol 2359, Issue 1
Re: UK: Renewables - Helbig is just bringing the McPherson nonsense to
our attention, NOT endorsing it! Right, Roger?
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> 1. *** SPAM *** Re: UK: Renewables a better option than nuclear
> power: but nuclear is needed for maintaining nuclear weapons
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> 2. Re: UK: Renewables a better option than nuclear power: but
> nuclear is needed for maintaining nuclear weapons
> (Dr. Andreas Kronenberg)
> 3. Re: UK: Renewables a better option than nuclear power: but
> nuclear is needed for maintaining nuclear weapons (John R Johnson)
> 4. Re: UK: Renewables a better option than nuclear power: but
> nuclear is needed for maintaining nuclear weapons (Delvan
> Neville)
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> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:39:45 +0100
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> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 23:17:28 +0100
> From: "Dr. Andreas Kronenberg" <kronenberg at kernchemie.de>
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> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] UK: Renewables a better option than nuclear
> power: but nuclear is needed for maintaining nuclear weapons
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> God damn, I thought this is a serious list of experts in the field,
> not a blog for anti-atom nonsense. Please delete me from this list. I
> don't need such stupid emails.
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> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: RadSafe [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] Im Auftrag
> von Roger Helbig
> Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Dezember 2017 15:00
> An: RADSAFE <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> Betreff: [ RadSafe ] UK: Renewables a better option than nuclear power:
> but nuclear is needed for maintaining nuclear weapons
>
> Another false claim by the anti-nuclear power campaigners.
>
>
> https://climatenewsnetwork.net/cheap-renewables-undercut-nuclear-power
> /
>
> Roger Helbig
>
> UK: Renewables a better option than nuclear power: but nuclear is
> needed for maintaining nuclear weapons
>
> by Christina MacPherson
>
> Cheap renewables undercut nuclear power, The technology advances and
> plunging costs of cheap renewables make base load nuclear power redundant.
> Climate News Network, by Paul Brown, LONDON, 29 December,
> 2017 ".........Completion doubts
>
> Even the former UK energy secretary Sir Edward Davey, who signed off
> on the Hinkley Point deal, said ?the economics have clearly gone
> away.? He doubted that the building would ever be completed, he told
> Greenpeace in an interview.
>
> All the other UK nuclear projects are still at various stages of
> planning, and how any of them will be paid for is yet to be worked
> out. It is already clear that none can be financed without government subsidy.
>
> An important political development in 2017 was that for the first time
> both the US and the UK admitted that their support for the nuclear
> industry is linked to the need to maintain their military capability
> in nuclear submarines and personnel. This is key, because both powers
> have previously claimed that there is no link between civil and military nuclear industries.
>
> Even before their admission it was already clear that the big
> economies which have no nuclear weapons, like Germany, can see no
> point in having a civil nuclear industry.
>
> Export drive
>
> That does not stop smaller countries, some without any nuclear power
> stations at all at present, signing agreements with the Russian
> state-owned company Rosatom. In what many see as a Russian policy to
> extend its international influence, Rosatom already says it is
> building reactors in Belarus, China, India, Bangladesh, Hungary,
> Turkey, Finland and Iran, and is seeking to expand, with tenders in for 23 other reactors abroad.
>
> These include Sudan, where the current president is wanted for war crimes.
> Whether all the plans will come to fruition remains doubtful.
> https://climatenewsnetwork.net/cheap-renewables-undercut-nuclear-power
> /
>
> Christina MacPherson | December 30, 2017 at 9:11 am | Categories:
> politics, politics international, UK | URL: https://wp.me/phgse-yOP
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> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 14:30:29 -0800
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> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] UK: Renewables a better option than nuclear
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> Andreas
>
> I have sometimes had the same thought, but there are some none
> Christrina scientists on this list that makes it worth while.
>
> John
> > On Dec 30, 2017, at 2:17 PM, Dr. Andreas Kronenberg <
> kronenberg at kernchemie.de> wrote:
> >
> > God damn, I thought this is a serious list of experts in the field,
> > not
> a blog for anti-atom nonsense. Please delete me from this list. I
> don't need such stupid emails.
> >
> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: RadSafe [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] Im Auftrag
> von Roger Helbig
> > Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Dezember 2017 15:00
> > An: RADSAFE <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> > Betreff: [ RadSafe ] UK: Renewables a better option than nuclear power:
> but nuclear is needed for maintaining nuclear weapons
> >
> > Another false claim by the anti-nuclear power campaigners.
> >
> > https://climatenewsnetwork.net/cheap-renewables-undercut-nuclear-pow
> > er/
> >
> > Roger Helbig
> >
> > UK: Renewables a better option than nuclear power: but nuclear is
> > needed
> for maintaining nuclear weapons
> >
> > by Christina MacPherson
> >
> > Cheap renewables undercut nuclear power, The technology advances
> > and
> plunging costs of cheap renewables make base load nuclear power redundant.
> Climate News Network, by Paul Brown, LONDON, 29 December,
> > 2017 ".........Completion doubts
> >
> > Even the former UK energy secretary Sir Edward Davey, who signed off
> > on
> the Hinkley Point deal, said ?the economics have clearly gone away.?
> He doubted that the building would ever be completed, he told
> Greenpeace in an interview.
> >
> > All the other UK nuclear projects are still at various stages of
> planning, and how any of them will be paid for is yet to be worked
> out. It is already clear that none can be financed without government subsidy.
> >
> > An important political development in 2017 was that for the first
> > time
> both the US and the UK admitted that their support for the nuclear
> industry is linked to the need to maintain their military capability
> in nuclear submarines and personnel. This is key, because both powers
> have previously claimed that there is no link between civil and military nuclear industries.
> >
> > Even before their admission it was already clear that the big
> > economies
> which have no nuclear weapons, like Germany, can see no point in
> having a civil nuclear industry.
> >
> > Export drive
> >
> > That does not stop smaller countries, some without any nuclear power
> stations at all at present, signing agreements with the Russian
> state-owned company Rosatom. In what many see as a Russian policy to
> extend its international influence, Rosatom already says it is
> building reactors in Belarus, China, India, Bangladesh, Hungary,
> Turkey, Finland and Iran, and is seeking to expand, with tenders in for 23 other reactors abroad.
> >
> > These include Sudan, where the current president is wanted for war
> crimes. Whether all the plans will come to fruition remains doubtful.
> > https://climatenewsnetwork.net/cheap-renewables-undercut-nuclear-pow
> > er/
> >
> > Christina MacPherson | December 30, 2017 at 9:11 am | Categories:
> > politics, politics international, UK | URL: https://wp.me/phgse-yOP
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> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:08:11 +0000
> From: Delvan Neville <dnevill at gmail.com>
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> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 6:01 AM Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Another false claim by the anti-nuclear power campaigners.
> >
> >
> > https://climatenewsnetwork.net/cheap-renewables-undercut-nuclear-pow
> > er/
> >
> > Roger Helbig
> >
> > UK: Renewables a better option than nuclear power: but nuclear is
> > needed for maintaining nuclear weapons
> >
> > by Christina MacPherson
> >
> > Cheap renewables undercut nuclear power, The technology advances
> > and plunging costs of cheap renewables make base load nuclear power
> > redundant. Climate News Network, by Paul Brown, LONDON, 29 December,
> > 2017 ".........Completion doubts
> >
> > Even the former UK energy secretary Sir Edward Davey, who signed off
> > on the Hinkley Point deal, said ?the economics have clearly gone
> > away.? He doubted that the building would ever be completed, he told
> > Greenpeace in an interview.
> >
> > All the other UK nuclear projects are still at various stages of
> > planning, and how any of them will be paid for is yet to be worked
> > out. It is already clear that none can be financed without
> > government subsidy.
> >
> > An important political development in 2017 was that for the first
> > time both the US and the UK admitted that their support for the
> > nuclear industry is linked to the need to maintain their military
> > capability in nuclear submarines and personnel. This is key, because
> > both powers have previously claimed that there is no link between
> > civil and military nuclear industries.
> >
> > Even before their admission it was already clear that the big
> > economies which have no nuclear weapons, like Germany, can see no
> > point in having a civil nuclear industry.
> >
> > Export drive
> >
> > That does not stop smaller countries, some without any nuclear power
> > stations at all at present, signing agreements with the Russian
> > state-owned company Rosatom. In what many see as a Russian policy to
> > extend its international influence, Rosatom already says it is
> > building reactors in Belarus, China, India, Bangladesh, Hungary,
> > Turkey, Finland and Iran, and is seeking to expand, with tenders in
> > for 23 other reactors abroad.
> >
> > These include Sudan, where the current president is wanted for war
> > crimes. Whether all the plans will come to fruition remains doubtful.
> > https://climatenewsnetwork.net/cheap-renewables-undercut-nuclear-pow
> > er/
> >
> > Christina MacPherson | December 30, 2017 at 9:11 am | Categories:
> > politics, politics international, UK | URL: https://wp.me/phgse-yOP
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