[ RadSafe ] The Campaign to Keep People Ignorant of Naturally Occurring Radiation Continues

Wed Jan 3 15:12:41 CST 2018

I apologize.  I misunderstood.  Been seeing these spreading everywhere, and
they get on my nerves considerably.  I don't need to see them here as
well.  They all seem to be the same old, same old misinformation (or at
least the similar distract/distort tack).

Have enough trouble playing "wack-a-mole" as it is.  Just seemed like I
found another mole popping up where I least expected/wanted one.

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 3:04 PM, Delvan Neville <dnevill at gmail.com> wrote:

> It isn't. Its just Roger forwarding on these sorts of blog posts, and I
> believe he intends to stop. He's been sharing them because he is outraged
> by them, not endorsing them, and thought they would foster discussion here.
>
> On Wed, 3 Jan 2018, 6:02 am Jason Meade, <meadeja at vcu.edu> wrote:
>
> > When did this group become a rabid anti-nuclear and F everyone who tries
> to
> > bring perspective into the discussion listserv?
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 4:01 AM, Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Jim Green exposes the nuclear lobby’s lies about bananas
> > >
> > > by Christina MacPherson
> > >
> > > “The more the nuclear industry claims eating plutonium, strontium,
> > > cesium, iodine and other fuel and fission products is OK because
> > > bananas exist and because the potassium is a needed nutrient, the more
> > > I consider them to be blatant liars.”
> > >
> > > The Banana Equivalent Dose of catastrophic nuclear accidents, Jim
> > > Green, Online Opinion, 20 December 2017,
> > > http://onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=19475&page=0
> > >
> > > The ‘Nuclear for Climate’ lobby group recently attended the United
> > > Nations’ COP23 climate conference armed with bananas, in order to make
> > > specious comparisons between radiation exposures from eating bananas
> > > and routine emissions from nuclear power plants.
> > >
> > > One of the reasons the comparison is specious is that some exposures
> > > are voluntary, others aren’t. Australian academic Prof. Barry Brook
> > > said in the aftermath of the Fukushima disaster: “People don’t
> > > understand that they live in an environment that is awash with
> > > radiation and they make decisions every day which affect their
> > > radiation dose ‒ they hop on an airplane or eat a banana or sit close
> > > to the TV.” True ‒ but people choose to hop on an airplane or eat a
> > > banana or sit close to the TV, whereas radiation doses from nuclear
> > > plants and nuclear accidents are usually involuntary.
> > >
> > > Another reason why the comparison made by ‘Nuclear for Climate’ is
> > > specious is that it ignores spikes in radioactive emissions during
> > > reactor refueling. Radiation biologist Dr Ian Fairlie notes that when
> > > nuclear reactors are refueled, a 12-hour spike in radioactive
> > > emissions exposes local people to levels of radioactivity up to 500
> > > times greater than during normal operation. The spikes may explain
> > > infant leukemia increases near nuclear plants − but operators provide
> > > no warnings and take no measures to reduce exposures.
> > >
> > > The comparison between bananas and nuclear power plants also ignores
> > > the spike in emissions and radiation doses following catastrophic
> > > accidents. So, what’s the Banana Equivalent Dose (yes, that’s a thing)
> > > of the Chernobyl and Fukushima disasters?
> > >
> > > According to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the
> > > collective effective dose from Chernobyl was 600,000 person-Sieverts.
> > > The UN Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation
> > > estimates radiation exposure from the Fukushima disaster at 48,000
> > > person-Sieverts.
> > >
> > > Combined, exposure from Chernobyl and Fukushima is estimated at
> > > 648,000 person-Sieverts. Exposure from eating a banana is estimated at
> > > between 0.09-2.3 microSieverts. Let’s use a figure of 0.1 microSievert
> > > per banana. Thus, exposure from Chernobyl and Fukushima equates to
> > > 6,480,000,000,000 Banana Equivalent Doses ‒ that’s 6.48 trillion
> > > bananas or, if you prefer, 6.48 terabananas or 6,480 gigabananas.
> > >
> > > End-to-end, that many 15-cm (6-inch) bananas would stretch 972 million
> > > kilometres ‒ far enough to reach the sun 6.5 times over, or the moon
> > > 2,529 times over.
> > >
> > > Potassium cycle
> > >
> > > Another reason the comparison made by ‘Nuclear for Climate’ is
> > > specious is explained by Dr Gordon Edwards from the Canadian Coalition
> > > for Nuclear Responsibility:
> > >
> > > “[T]he body already has a lot of “natural” potassium including K-40
> > > [which is unavoidable], and any new “natural” potassium ingested is
> > > balanced by eliminating a comparable amount of “natural” potassium to
> > > maintain the “homeostasis” of the body. In other words the body’s own
> > > mechanisms will not allow for a net increase in potassium levels – and
> > > therefore will not allow for an increase in K-40 content in the body.
> > >
> > > “Here’s what the Oak Ridge Associated Universities has to say; (ORAU
> > > was founded in 1946 as the Oak Ridge Institute of Nuclear Studies.):
> > > ‘The human body maintains relatively tight homeostatic control over
> > > potassium levels. This means that the consumption of foods containing
> > > large amounts of potassium will not increase the body’s potassium
> > > content. As such, eating foods like bananas does not increase your
> > > annual radiation dose. If someone ingested potassium that had been
> > > enriched in K-40, that would be another story.’
> > >
> > > “The same argument does not work for radioactive caesium, or for any
> > > of the radioactive pollutants given off by a nuclear power plant,
> > > because most of these materials do not exist in nature at all – and
> > > those that do exist in nature are not subject to the same homeostatic
> > > mechanism that the body uses to control potassium levels. Consequently
> > > any foodstuffs or beverages containing radioactive caesium or other
> > > man-made radioactive pollutants will cause an additional annual dose
> > > of ionizing radiation to the person so exposed.”
> > >
> > > Likewise, Linda Gunter explained in a 16 November 2017 article:
> > >
> > > “At the COP23 Climate Talks currently underway in Bonn, a group
> > > calling itself Nuclear for Climate, wants you to slip on their false
> > > banana propaganda and fall for their nonsensically unscientific notion
> > > that bananas are actually more dangerous than nuclear power plants! I
> > > am not making this up. Here is the picture.
> > >
> > > “The oxymoronic Nuclear for Climate people are handing out bananas
> > > complete with a sticker that reads: “This normal, every-day banana is
> > > more radioactive than living near a nuclear power plant for one year.”
> > > …
> > >
> > > “If you smell something rotten in this banana business, you are right.
> > > So let’s peel off the propaganda right now. In short, when you eat a
> > > banana, your body’s level of potassium-40 doesn’t increase. You just
> > > get rid of some excess potassium-40. The net dose of a banana is zero.
> > >
> > > “To explain in more detail, the tiny radiation exposure due to eating
> > > a banana lasts only for a few hours after ingestion, namely the time
> > > it takes for the normal potassium content of the body to be regulated
> > > by the kidneys. Since our bodies are under homeostatic control, the
> > > body’s level of potassium-40 doesn’t increase after eating a banana.
> > > The body just gets rid of some excess potassium-40.
> > >
> > > “The banana bashers don’t want you to know this and instead try to
> > > pretend that the potassium in bananas is the same as the genuinely
> > > dangerous man-made radionuclides â€’ such as cesium-137 and
> > > strontium-90 â€’ that are released into our environment from nuclear
> > > power facilities, from atomic bomb tests and from accidents like
> > > Fukushima and Chernobyl.
> > >
> > > “These radioactive elements, unlike the potassium-40 in bananas, are
> > > mistaken by the human body for more familiar elements. For example,
> > > ingested radioactive strontium-90 replaces stable calcium, and
> > > ingested radioactive cesium-137 replaces stable potassium. These
> > > nuclides can lodge in bones and muscles and irradiate people from
> > > within. This is internal radiation and can lead to very serious,
> > > long-lasting and trans-generational health impacts.”
> > >
> > > An unfortunate incident in Goiania, Brazil in September 1987
> > > illustrates the hazards of cesium-137, a fission product. Two people
> > > stole a radiotherapy source from a disused medical clinic. A security
> > > guard did not show up to work that day; he went instead to the cinema
> > > to see ‘Herbie Goes Bananas‘. The radiotherapy source contained 93
> > > grams of cesium-137. It was sold to a junkyard dealer. Many people
> > > were exposed to the radioactive cesium and they spread the
> > > contamination to other sites within and beyond the town. At least four
> > > people died from exposure to the radiation source and, according to
> > > the IAEA, “many others” suffered radiation injuries. Those injured
> > > included eight patients who required surgical debridments, amputation
> > > of the digital extremities and plastic skin grafts. The incident was
> > > rated Level 5 (‘Accident with Off Site Risk’) on the 7-point
> > > International Nuclear Event Scale.
> > >
> > > Terrorists don’t arm themselves with bananas
> > >
> > > There is a long history of nuclear power plants being used directly
> > > and indirectly in support of nuclear weapons programs. Bananas are of
> > > no interest to nuclear weapons proliferators. There’s no Treaty on the
> > > Non-Proliferation of Bananas, no Comprehensive Test Banana Treaty, no
> > > Anti-Banana Missile Treaty. Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump aren’t
> > > threatening each other with bananas; not yet, at least.
> > >
> > > Nuclear historian Paul Langley notes that terrorists don’t arm
> > > themselves with bananas:
> > >
> > > “The potassium cycle in humans is no excuse for nuclear authorities
> > > anywhere on the planet to claim any benefit or natural precedent for
> > > the marketing of nuclear industry emissions contaminated food.
> > >
> > > “The fission products are not nutrients. Do not eat them. The nuclear
> > > industry promises to keep its radioactive sources sealed. When the
> > > industry invariably fails in this undertaking, it turns around and
> > > claims that the residue of its pollution is like a banana. Crap. The
> > > residue is like the residue of a rad weapon. Fact. It’s the same
> > > stuff. Terrorists do not attempt to arm themselves with bananas. They
> > > are not dangerous.
> > >
> > > “Radio Strontium, Radio Iodine, Radio cesium have NO PLACE in food.
> > > Nuke is not clean, it is not green and it relies on lies it has
> > > concocted over decades. … The more the nuclear industry claims eating
> > > plutonium, strontium, cesium, iodine and other fuel and fission
> > > products is OK because bananas exist and because the potassium is a
> > > needed nutrient, the more I consider them to be blatant liars.”
> > >
> > > Christina MacPherson | December 20, 2017 at 9:07 pm | Categories: 2
> > > WORLD, Reference, spinbuster | URL: https://wp.me/phgse-yJH
> > > :
> > > http://nuclear-news.net/2017/12/20/jim-green-exposes-the-
> > > nuclear-lobbys-lies-about-bananas/
> > >
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> > Jason A Meade, AS, BS, MHSA, RRPT, R.T.(T)
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> > Virginia Commonwealth University
> >
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Jason A Meade, AS, BS, MHSA, RRPT, R.T.(T)
Senior Radiation Safety Specialist
Virginia Commonwealth University

Sanger Hall, B2-016
1101 East Marshall St
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"A society grows great
when old men plant trees
whose shade they know
they shall never sit in."
-Old Greek proverb

"You call this bad? I'll tell you what bad is....
Bad is passing test depth at 80 feet per second with a thirty degree down
bubble.
Compared to that, this is a walk in the park."
-Carlo Ciliberti